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Friday, December 24, 2010

VB/GCC relationship fine beer rather than homebrew

  
By Jone Baledrokadroka
Two of the finest Aussie beers enjoyed by many are the old Victoria Bitter and the Great Carltons Cold. For the politically thirsty, hopefully, this Christmas a new premium VB /GCC concoction after four years in fermentation is soon to be announced.
 

This after a bad bout of our local rising - jack homebrew mixed with Vorege and our Ratus in the last hoorah.

So now, can this off-again-on-again relationship with the Great Council of Chiefs break the present political and economic gridlock created by Voreqe Bainimarama (VB) and his military regime? Yes, of course, such is Fijian politics!

Political theorist Max Weber’s analysis of legitimacy emphasizes that limits are built in each type of regime and that the transformation of regimes beyond them is a source of their deligitimation and their ultimate breakdown.

Four years after the military coup, the limitations of the military regime has become quite obvious by its unabashed machinations for local and international legitimacy. The regime now understands, it needs the two powerful indigenous Fijian institutions - the GCC and the Methodist Church - for support and legitimatizing of its rule to survive. Its Indo-Fijian main support has totally vanished.

International actors will follow suit once local democratic authentication by the GCC is restored. The GCC’s legitimate political imprimateur is also legally constitutional.

Should the GCC sit as mediator, what are the legitimate factors that may bestow local and international political legitimacy on the regime in a transition back to democracy?

Political scientists, Linz and Stepan (1996:88) in studying, the crisis, breakdown and restoration of democratic states lays out the conditions:

1)  The first would seem to be the availability of a leadership uncompromised by the loss of efficacy and legitimacy of the existing regime in crisis and committed to the creation of a new regime with new institutions to be legitimated by future democratic procedures.

2)  That leadership must be able to gain the acceptance of those who remained loyal to the existing regime as well as those who opted for disloyalty in crisis and therefore are potential supporters of a non-democratic regime.

3)  The leadership of the regime that has lost power, efficacy, effectiveness, and probably considerable legitimacy must be able to accept that fact and facilitate, rather than oppose the transfer of power.

4)  The willingness of the former leadership, with its commitment to certain policy goals, ideologies, and interests to subordinate the realization of these goals in order to save the substance of democracy. And finally, a general contributing condition.

5)  A certain level of indifference and passivity in the bulk of the population must exist during the final denouement of the crisis.

As with the fifth point, I believe the time is ripe in as far as the sullen people is concerned, given the economic mess the country is in.

The unique constellation of the five conditions may now be thrashed out by the GCC mediator(s). This can then be localized by other conditions to suit the Fiji situation without compromising the four critical conditions logic as laid out. Cheers all.


Editor's Note: And Coupfourpointfive salutes everyone who has contributed to trying find a way forward for Fiji, bitter and groggy though the debate has been at times.

To our readers in every corner of the world, from the Pacific to Asia, Africa, Europe and America - Wishing you all a safe Christmas and Happy New Year!

33 comments:

Anonymous said...

RATU SAID.
J.B. I THINK YOU ARE WRONG IN BLAMING THE INDO FIJIAN FOR THIS COUP.
WE HAD COUP IN 1987/2000 .THIS WAS FOR THE FIJIAN.
2006-INDO FIJIAN./FIJIAN
ANS ME. HOW MANY INDO FIJIAN IS IN THE ARMY/GOVT NOW.
1987/2000 ALL THE GCC /CHURCH SUPPORTED THE COUP.
WHY NOT IN 2006.ANS-JB./BANI YOU WERE PART OF 1987/2000 COUP.
IF YOU WOULD STAND FAST FOR THE OATH YOU ALL TOOK TO PROTECT THE GOVT OF THE DAY.
THAN WE WOULDNT HAVE THESE LATER COUP.
CHIEFS /CHURCH ARE LIKE ROLLING STONES NOW THEY ALL SUPPORT BANI/TALIBAN AIYAZ GOVT.
THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE INDO FIJIAN.
FIJIAN ARE THE PROBLEM AND POWER/MONEY HUNGRY.
IF INFO FIJIAN LIVES FIJI.NO MORE FUNDS/MONEY FOR FIJI.
90% TAXES FROM INDO FIJIAN BUSINESS OWNERS.
I HOPE THIS WILL CLEAR ALL THINGS OF WHATS HAPPENING IN FIJI.
FIJIAN HAVE TO LEARN TO WORK HARD AND EARN.WE HAVE LANDS/RESOURCES.BUT WE ARE LAZY.
LETS TELL ALL OUR KAIS TO WORK HARD AND EARN.LEARN FROM OUR INDO FRDS.
WE HAVE TO READ AND UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE.
GOD LOVES ALL OF US .NO RACE/NO CREED/NO COLOUR.
SO CHURCH NO MORE KAI INDIA/KAI VITI/KAILOMA.
FOLLOW THE 10 COMMANDMENTS.
MERRY CHRISTMAS/HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL.

mark manning said...

a/
There would in fact be in Fiji, I suggest, a handful of people willing to change the leadership of the Regime, understanding that it's probable that the current Regime leadership is reluctant to return power.

And this very thing, a change of leadership of the Regime itself, may indeed need to take place in order for any progress in Fiji's current situation to be made.

b/
Once the Regime's leadership issue has been resolved, then the impasse imposed by it's current leadership over just who will represent the GCC, can and must be resolved, for the next step to take place.

Legitimacy it seems, at the moment, may be open to interpretation, hence the need to change leadership of the Regime.

mark manning said...

If the Legitimacy of the GCC's Representatives is not resolved, and illegally appointed Representatives are put in place for the convenience and expediency of any party responsible for resolving this issue, then Fiji's political cycle of coup after coup, is bound to continue.

Further to this issue, is the issue of the detaining and arrest of all those implicated in this latest ill advised coup d'etat.
As uncomfortable as it may be, the issue must be resolved also, for there to be any permanent change in Fiji Politics.

Good Will is not enough, it also requires strong leadership and appropriate punishment under the Rule of Law under Fiji's 1997 Constitution.

Jake said...

I think I'd prefer the Bainimarama special JB on the rocks.

Merry Christmas everyone.

Jake

Anonymous said...

Roses are reddish - violets are blueish - wasn't for Christmas we'd all be Jewish.

You have got to be joking said...

I’m afraid you are losing touch with the real world JB, just like most Australian bureaucrats based in Canberra. What evidence at all have you for the claim “The regime now understands, it needs the two powerful indigenous Fijian institutions - the GCC and the Methodist Church - for support and legitimatizing of its rule to survive”?

And that “democratic authentication” of anything at all can be given by a bunch of failed unelected chiefs whose time is well past? The irony of this comment by someone supposedly espousing and supporting democratic ways and means is almost unbelievable?

Anonymous said...

This treasonous incompetent fools must all go to jail. No compromise. They have ruined the nation.They have already racked up $500 million in debt.
Who is going to pay for that?
Bloody dumb jackasses; the whole lot of them. The thieving Aiyaz must pay.
Bai must pay.
Why do poor primary school students have to go and cut cane in order to survive (in Tavua) while these jackasses live the high-life?
If this youg boy has to pay, then surely Bai & Aiyaz MUST pay!

Anonymous said...

Seasons greetings to all C4 staff.

Without your continuing dedication & support - goodness knows where things would be in Viti?

M X & a H N Y.

Anonymous said...

And a VERY happy Christmas with a peaceful, prosperous New Year to follow for all of you.

I deeply appreciate 'Coup4.5'. Long may you continue (even after the return of democracy) .

Thanks.

Joe said...

@Anon 1:31 PM
JB is not blaming the indos for the 2006 coup, he has categorically said "Its Indo-Fijian main support has totally vanished.", which is true. Indos supported Frank initially, as a protest against LQ's "qoliqoli" but then, saw his true colours some 3 yrs later. The only indos that support this illegal govt are the businessmen and muslims. The silent majority dont support Frank, LQ and MC. The only person,IMHO, who can make a real difference and has total support from all races is Ratu Jone Madraiwiwi.

Anonymous said...

As a young professional of Indo Fijian and Fijian descent (Kailoma by Fijian definition but the 0.00000001 white blooded kailomas would be appalled) I am fed up. I am 26 never been able to vote. I was given a schorlarship to study Aeronautical engineering at UNSW and came back to no job. All I can say to my parents generation you all are a bunch of loosers ….seriously what is there for us young Fijians to look forward too…. Traps and O’Reilleys and more apathy ….. Seriously …OLD PATHETIC FARTS need to go and we young more open minded people need to shape this misunderstood, misguided Nation of us. I am a proud Fijian (not racists in any shape or form) and I intend to get married have children and NOT have them grow up in this PATHETIC situation.

Anonymous said...

RATU SAID.
I MEET SOME FRIENDS FROM FRCA.COL AZIZ MADE 300K FROM THIS COMPANY IN LAUTOKA.TO SOLVE THEIR TAX ISSUES.THE DEAL WAS SIGNED WITH FRCA MANAGER AND COMPANY DIRECTOR IN COL AZIZ OFFICE AND HIS SIDE KICK REP SANJIV PAL.
FUNNY THING WAS 2 WEEKS BEFORE COL CALLED AND TOLD PM BANI THAT THE COMPANY DIRECTOR WAS GIVING HIM 75K BRIBE.THAN LATER TOOK 300K BRIBE.THIS TALIBAN KNOWS HOW TO PLAY BANI.
HE IS CORRUPT WITH HIS MUSLIM BROTHERS RUNNING FIJI NOW.
HE TOLD THEM THAT HE AND AIYAZ RUNS THE GOVT AND RFMF.ITS MUSLIMS SHOW NOT FIJIAN/HINDUS.THEY ARE SUBJECT TO THIER RULES.
GOD HELP FIJI.

Anonymous said...

RATU SAID.
I MEET SOME FRIENDS FROM FRCA.COL AZIZ MADE 300K FROM THIS COMPANY IN LAUTOKA.TO SOLVE THEIR TAX ISSUES.THE DEAL WAS SIGNED WITH FRCA MANAGER AND COMPANY DIRECTOR IN COL AZIZ OFFICE AND HIS SIDE KICK REP SANJIV PAL.
FUNNY THING WAS 2 WEEKS BEFORE COL CALLED AND TOLD PM BANI THAT THE COMPANY DIRECTOR WAS GIVING HIM 75K BRIBE.THAN LATER TOOK 300K BRIBE.THIS TALIBAN KNOWS HOW TO PLAY BANI.
HE IS CORRUPT WITH HIS MUSLIM BROTHERS RUNNING FIJI NOW.
HE TOLD THEM THAT HE AND AIYAZ RUNS THE GOVT AND RFMF.ITS MUSLIMS SHOW NOT FIJIAN/HINDUS.THEY ARE SUBJECT TO THIER RULES.
GOD HELP FIJI.

Anonymous said...

Ditto the above. God bless you always c4.5!

Stealth. said...

@ JB.
Puppets & Puppeteers.

Nailatikau still & always will be -key.

Anonymous said...

I meant ditto to the xmas wishes and not the typical rants re Fiji junta.

mark manning said...

@ Anon 214 am and Anon 9 am
Exactly, and I still don't get where this " Fiji Youth " nonsense begins and the adult part of the equation begins in Fiji Society.
As I've said before, this and the previous generation of fijians have failed miserably, generally speaking and it's the younger fijians who must take control and shape the Fiji of the future.
So well said there !

No one is in control, until you hand it to them !
" Evil succeeds when good men do nothing " !
So what are you going to do.

Another thing, Frank is an idiot with little to no Intellect, but both him and Aiyaz have one thing in common, they are both cowards and if confronted and challenged, they would crap their panties !

So why haven't any of you challenged and confronted them ?

This is a Civil War, and the rules of engagement were determined by Frank Bainimarama and Aiyaz Sayed Khaiyum, Soldiers of the RFMF and Fiji Police, when they illegally detained, tortured and murdered innocent, unarmed, Indigenous Fijian Civilians.

And because it is a " war " you have a right and in fact an obligation, to defend yourselves and retaliate in a like minded manner.

War is determined as an armed conflict between two opposing sides !

Anonymous said...

RATU SAID.
STAND UP GET UP AND FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS.
IF NOT JUST BE SUBJECT TO BANI ARMY/TALIBAN AG.
SO I URGE THE FIJIAN/INDIAN TO FIGHT FOR FREEDOM NOW.

Dr. Mere Tuisalalo Samisoni said...

@ Mark December 26th, I assume, this is the reason, Tui Cakau, Leader of the Tovata Confederacy (Cakaudrove and Lau Group), Ratu Naiqama Lalabalavu (NL), approached the illegal Prime Minister Voreqe Bainimarama (VB) to 'engage' based on the problems the country is facing.
Mind you Ratu NL, at his request, has been waiting for some months now for this meeting to take place.
Should VB, not engage, then by definition he is not a leader to bring about desired changes, for the good of our beloved Fiji. VB will then, have to answer for the consequences, because the Fijian people and all right thinking people of our beloved country have had enough!
Mere Tuisalalo Samisoni

Anonymous said...

I have said this ones before. Enough of the Muslim Bashing. Just because a few of the idiots in goverment happen to be following Islam as their faith does not make us Muslims support it. We are all human beings and the present fuckups of this government is affecting us all. Please do not bring religion and race into this as we are all being affected by the constant no brainer policies of this government. Just because i am a Mulsim does not exempt me from paying 15% vat next year. To all you petty racists out there this is an issue beyond your little childish prejudices. This is about the survival of our country. So grow up and start looking at the bigger picture.

Anonymous said...

Mike Manning 0950, stop mouthing off. FJs political, social and economic future can only be put in order by the Fijians themselves. The IG served the others and Indians by making every T, D, H a 'Fijian'. What bollocks. Anonymous 131 as an Indian tries to sound Fijian but is let out by his arrogant claim that with the Indians gone so will the wealth? Get real. The wealth of this country has just been tapped into but, the Fijians must be strong, smart and unite to take what is rightfully theirs. Democracy is one possible way forward.

Radiolucas said...

@ Anon, 25 Dec, 2:14am

My sentiments exactly - though it is not enough to blame our parents, and our grandparents, for the present situation - it is up to us to change the world and make our nation great. The world belongs to the future, so we have to look to how our nation is formed - on the foundations of stupid rhetoric or true social reform?

Anonymous said...

Latest News!!!!!!!!
Jailed coup leader George Speight says he is looking forward to 2011 as Labour leader, sacked illegal finance minister and deposed prime minister chaudhry will join him in naboro. Speight says he is excited that Chaudhry whom he overthrow in 2000 will be his cell mate for next ten years.

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:11 can you please explain to us all what do you mean the wealth is just being tapped into. Can you also explain to us what has been taken from the i-taukei. Your land is still there,your rivers your sea everything is still their. You know what, it has been their since you morons drifted onto to Fiji. The problem with the i-taukei is that you want everything to walk upto to you and be served on a platter. The kai-inda in Fiji are landless rightless people who came here as slaves. In 100 years or so they control over 95% of all wealth in this country. Should all Kai-india leave Fiji and they are given the true value of their assets Fiji would be penniless.How do they do it? It is simple they know how to feed a family of 5 with 1 loaf of bread and they know how to work hard and save. Their is no miracle to it. It is just that sim ple.
This country has been run by the i-taukei for all but one year and look where we are today. Has anyone noticed that VB is also a taukei. The problem in Fiji is their is too much race involved in politics.In one breath you say only the i-taukei can solve Fiji's problems in another you say Democracy can solve Fiji's problems. Do you know what true Democracy means. I suggest you check the Oxford Dictionary for a clear explanation. Stop being a hypocryte. True democracy is color and race blind. Fiji's problems can only be solved when people like you accept that we are all here to stay and this is our home regardless of racial heritage.We accept true democracy without prejudice and support and elect leaders who aspire to rule all of Fiji and not just one ethnic group and hence work towards making Fiji a secular and modern country.

mark manning said...

Evil succeeds when good men do nothing and it seems, if some of the responses here are anything to go by, that some good men are finally coming forward and openly challenging Frank Bainimarama.

My rantings and ravings are real enough when you consider history.
I believe that Aiyaz is using Frank to establish an Islamic State, he happens to be Moslem and Indian, that doesn't make me a racist or prejudice, they are the facts !

Hitler tried to establish the perfect superior Aryan Race, despite the fact that he himself was not blond haired and was born in Austria, not Germany.
http://www.google.com.au/images?client=safari&rls=en&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&q=aryan+race&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=2ooaTYqqFJCOvQPxoOHGDQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CDYQsAQwAg&biw=1382&bih=854

Hitler also tried to weed out anyone with imperfections in his Society, despite the fact that one of his own supporters had one leg shorter than the other and another was obese.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
http://www.shoah.dk/Henchmen/henchmen.htm

So, what I'm saying is, my fears of Aiyaz setting up an Islamic State, are based on reality, not racism or prejudice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_republic

Aiyaz is a mentally unstable individual, as is Frank Bainimarama and like Hitler's henchmen, most of his supporters are greedy, lazy, narcissist with only their own well being at heart.

Taukei. said...

@ Anon 1:47.

Don't let the truth get in the way.

Slaves eh - think you'll find first Indians came to Viti as "indentured labourers".
All were offered return passage to India - overwhelming majority chose to stay. So please stop this "Indian victim' bullshit.
Your history during this time admittedly has not been ideal - this has been of your own choosing - eventual "planned Indian takeover" of Viti thru population increase (1 vote 1 value)is well documented - as is your refusual too defend Viti in its greatest hour of peril (WW2).
True our Rivers and Land are still there - but this is due too constant Taukei vigilance against your predatory culture.
Get this straight - Indians were brought - not invited - to Viti by others. Reality is you are not "Fijians" - you will never be "Fijians" - you are and will always will be "Vulagi" - Indians born outside India.

Anonymous said...

Muslim state. Seriously Mark ......... I bit too far fetched don't you thing. The Fiji Muslim population is 16% of the Indian population hardly enough to fill a football stadium. I know things are bad in Fiji but damn that is a wild theory. I don’t think Aiarse is even a practicing Muslim. This is about democracy. Democracy in its true form is what the likes of Australia, New Zealand America etc etc have. Democracy is blind to color creed gender and anything else that makes us different.Democracy means a fair go for all and a society based on tolerance love and respect for each other. Based on this fact i find most of the bloggers here a bunch of racist hypocrites who are disguising their racial prejudices behind so called democratic ideals.

mark manning said...

@ Anon 1051 a.m.
There's no point in arguing with you or trying to persuade you then, so I won't !

Anonymous said...

Democracy is a delusion and an evil strategy. If you believe democracy is in Australia and New Zealand, than you are delusional. There are 4th generations Greeks and Italian who are still wogs. A Fijian is a Fijian, a mynah bird is a mynah bird. An Indian is an Indian a Chinese a Chinese. To call a Chinese or Indian Man Fijian is delusional. It is right that people should love and respect one another. You don't have to become delusional to do it.

Anonymous said...

Mark Manning.

Tale of 2 Cities.

Suggest your time would be better spent watching Muslims in Sydney rather than Suva?

Anonymous said...

Anon@2.14am: We need to hear more from your ilk ... young, disillusioned but wanting better for him or herself and knowing that it can be that way for Fiji as well. Keep speaking up, suggest solutions, prepare for the future, for when democracy returns so we move forward as a nation.

Anonymous said...

Anon 2.00pm
democracy returns? move forward??? Fiji is no more. It was sold to the highest bidder.

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