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Monday, November 14, 2011

Why good people support evil: applying Philip Zimbardo to Fiji


ABU GRHAIB: American guards thought  they were doing the “right thing” in their “war against terror”
 
By Dr Wadan Narsey

For those who wish for a peaceful and internal solution to Fiji’s problems, a painful puzzle to understand is why so many “good” people have supported the illegal coups  of not just 2006, but also 1987 and 2000, despite all the resulting evils, and how to encourage them to change peacefully.

Zimbardo
How do we convince those currently supporting the Bainimarama Regime to return to lawfulness and good governance, with the full restoration of basic human rights currently denied us by the Military Regime?

This kind of a problem applies to other Pacific countries like Solomon Islands and Tonga,  and many other countries, which have been plagued by coups and sectarian violence, with systematic evil being done or supported by otherwise good people.

Although the economic implications of military coups and sectarian violence are horrendous, economics provides little guidance on such difficult questions.

Far more useful is the field of psychology and, here I draw on the work of Philip Zimbardo, an eminent Stanford University psychologist,  who gave a brilliant set of lectures at Harvard Law School,  titled  “The Lucifer Effect”.

While Zimbardo’s focus was on trying to explain why “good” people do “evil” things, he also  suggests how to encourage ordinary individuals (not the Mahatma Gandhis or Mother Theresas or Nelson Mandelas of the world) to do good, even if they are currently doing wrong things.

So we do not talk at cross-purposes, let me first outline what I see as the “evil” consequences of the 2006 coup for Fiji (with clear similarities with the consequences of the 1987 and 2000 coups).

The evil consequences of the 2006 coup
The evil consequences (which many Bainimarama supporters in Fiji and abroad totally refuse to question their coup heroes on) include the following:

*the horrendous crime of treasonous removal of a lawfully elected government, which is the peaceful, co-operative foundation, however imperfect, of democratic freedoms and basic human rights, and good governance.

*the abuse of hundreds of millions of dollars of tax-payers’ funds and FNPF funds and the suppression of all auditor general’s and other reports which outline the financial abuses;

* the arbitrary sacking of hundreds of employees and board members without natural justice;

* the passing of military decrees which prevent grievances being taken to court,  expropriation of private property, and breaking of legal contracts;

* the draconian media censorship and severe curtailment of basic human rights such as freedom of expression, assembly and association;

* the draconian destruction of legitimate trade union rights and breaking of ILO conventions

* the complete lack of accountability for deaths of persons in the custody of the security forces, and arbitrary differential application of the law to Regime supporters and opponents;

*the gross misuse of Fiji National Provident Fund without the approval of the fund-owners, and a refusal to change the governance structure to make the Board accountable to the Members;

* the unaccountable and non-transparent purchase and sale of public assets and entering of legal agreements;

*the destruction of long-standing useful links with traditional donors and governments;

* the callous insistence on retaining power, despite the billions of dollars of lost national income and resulting increases in poverty, and other social evils.

* the total trashing of public service finance rules by illegally paying Bainimarama and other senior military officers for decades of back-pay;

*the total subversion of Ministry of Finance rules by paying current Ministers in the Military Regime, unknown salaries through a private accounting firm owned by a relative of the illegal Attorney General.

These have never been disputed by the Regime.

So why have “good” people supported and continue to support the 2006 coup perpetrators, just as many other good people also in 1987 and 2000 coups?

Zimbado’s three sources of evil
Zimbardo was trying to make sense of horrifying events such as the torture and killings of prisoners  by American servicemen at Guantanomo Bay and the Abu Ghraib prisons.

His findings also enabled him to understand better the killing of six million Jews by ordinary Germans;  the mass suicide of hundreds of men, women and children belonging to a religious cult;  and many other horrifying situations.

Search on the Internet with the words “Philip Zimbardo Lucifer Effect Youtube”.  

Watch all the eleven video clips that pop up.  Be prepared for some shocking images and disturbing scientific findings about how ordinary people like you and I can be “good” or “evil” in different circumstances.

I apply Zimbardo’s ideas to Fiji, with some additional elements which explain our predicament better.

Zimbardo saw evil actions arising from three sources.

First and obvious, evil may be done by people with inherent “evil dispositions”- but Zimbardo argues that most people are not inherently evil. 

More important was the evil that can result from ordinary “good” people being corrupted or misled by the evil situations they find themselves in- good apples being corrupted by bad apples.

And third and even more powerful was where individuals found themselves part of an entire system (legal, political, social) in which doing the “evil” actions was seen as being “normal” or doing the right thing.  ie the system itself (the barrel) made the good apples bad.

Coup supporters may not be “evil”
If we list the coup collaborators and supporters for each of the 2006, 2009 and also the 1987 and 2000 coups, the lists will be very long indeed.

There have been prominent legal and academic minds, leading politicians and political parties, prominent chiefs and their organizations, former Commanders of the Fiji Military Forces; religious and social leaders of all denominations (Methodist, Catholic, Hindu, Muslim etc), civil society institutions, long standing civil servants,  experienced bureaucrats and former citizens; and even the British monarchy in 1987.

We will have virtually included most of those in the upper echelons of Fiji society for the last 25 years (while I name people because I expect better from them, my legal adviser says don’t name people)..

Most would be considered “normal” people, and in their own social groups, they may even be considered to be doing “good”. 

So how could they support or tolerate all the evils I have listed at the beginning?

Zimbardo explains  that there is good and evil in all of us, like “yin” and “yang” (no surprise to many religions).  Zimbardo (and other psychologists like Millgram) discovered through their objective scientific experiments that evil deeds can easily result when individuals uncritically allow themselves  to be dominated by situations or systems at large, and obey the orders of “evil” others, who knowingly use their power for unjust reasons.

The Milgram Experiments
Zimbardo explained how American psychologist Stanley Milgram showed this result decades ago - with all kinds of ordinary people, in all kinds of different  environments, with experiments which might seem simplistic, but with incredibly powerful results.

In one experiment, the human “guinea pig” is shown a vertical line, alongside a group of three other lines, of which only one has the same length as the first one.

The guinea pig (and others in the group who are “actors in the know”), are asked to choose which one out of the three lines has the same length.

The actors, after giving the correct answer for a few questions, then all deliberately start giving the wrong answer.

Milgram found that most “guinea pigs”, who gave the right answers at the beginning, begin to give the obviously wrong answer - just to fit in with the others who he did not know were deliberately giving wrong answers.

The psychologists found that conforming with the group, whether right or wrong,  is the norm for most human beings not the exception- even if they end up doing horrifying things, as the next experiments shows.

The electric shock and the prisoner/guard experiment
One psychology experiment was absolutely horrifying.   

A “professor” (in a white uniform) asks the guinea pig to administer a multiple choice question to a “student” (who is really an actor) out of sight in another room.  If the student got the answer wrong, he/she was to be given a bigger and bigger electric shock, supposedly to help the student learn faster.

The experiment was rigged to ensure that the students kept giving occasional wrong answers, and every guinea pig was asked to increase the electric shock, even if the  person in the other room was screaming in pain, right up to the 400 volt plus point where it could prove fatal.

Time after time, with all kinds of guinea pigs, men and women alike, people of all ages, of all races, would keep obeying the “professor” in increasing the electric shock, until the “erring student” in the other room appeared to be given a fatal level of shock and went totally quiet.  Only a tiny proportion of guinea-pigs stopped before the fatal level of shock.

In another early experiment by Zimbardo, ordinary students were randomly designated by academic researchers to act as “guards” while others were designated to act as “prisoners”.

Not only did the “guards” become dehumanized and brutal, but the prisoners also became so dehumanized and traumatized, that Zimbardo was forced to stop his experiment short.

What these psychologists established (please do watch the Youtube video clips) was that most ordinarily “good” people will obey whoever they perceive as “authority” even if what they end up doing  is morally and ethically wrong or “evil”.

Remember the disturbing book Lord of the Flies where ordinary children stranded alone on an island, suddenly become savages and even killers.

The Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay prisons
Zimbardo went into all this analysis because he had been asked to defend American soldiers charged with torturing prisoners at the Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib prisons,  suspected to be terrorists.

Zimbardo found to his amazement that the accused soldiers were quite “normal” decent persons - with no “evil” characteristics in their psychological make-up.

He discovered instead that that American military rules of conduct had been changed by the highest political and military authority in United States to implicitly allow torture, sadism, cruelty, even murder of prisoners, even if these acts negated the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners.

Most of the American guards thought that they were doing the “right thing” in their “war against terror” because  they thought that that was what the “authorities wanted them to do. Just as many decent Germans did in killing the six million Jews, or the Al Qaeda terrorists did in bombing the Twin Towers.

At the American prison camps, it was only when one soldier rebelled because of his conscience that all the abuses came to light.  That soldier and his family eventually had to be given military protection for years, to protect them from attacks by their colleagues who felt betrayed by the “whistle blower”.  Whistle-blowing is incredibly dangerous.

So how does all this help us understand Fiji today?

Zimbardo’s ten stages and the Fiji Coups
Zimbardo’s analysis led him to outline 10 steps or stages whereby normally “good” people are slowly pulled into doing “evil” and find themselves unable to stop or extricate themselves.

I apply them here, with some modifications for Fiji.
1. There is always some“ideology” to justify the actions.

In Nazi Germany it was “the creation of the Aryan Master-race by cleansing the Fatherland of these hateful Jews”. In the US military prisons, there was the “Need for War Against Terror”, supported by most Americans and politicians. 

In the Rabuka/Mara coup of 1987 and the 2000 coup, the ideologies were “Fiji for the Fijians”, “no Indian should be Prime Minister”; Fiji’s Development Plan will be the Blueprint for “Affirmative Action for indigenous Fijians”.  These coups were supported by most Fijians and Fijian institutions like the GCC and Methodist Church.

Bainimarama claimed his 2006 coup was to remove corruption and corrupt politicians, and create a racially equal society, with electoral reform and a “one man one vote”, all to be guided by the new Charter and Roadmap.  This coup was supported by most Indo-Fijians, many kailoma and kaivalangis, and their respective institutions like the Hindu, Muslim, and Catholic religious organisations.

2. The “the end justifies the means” and we have to have “some necessary evils”

The argument goes that you have to restrict some of your rights, like freedom of speech, if we are going to unite the whole country and not be destabilized by a few disgruntled critics with their own agendas.

People are told - don’t just stand on the sideline and criticize. Join the Government, the Boards, the NCBBF,  the Constitution Review Commission, etc  if you want to save the country, you have to be “inside” to make a difference.  The country will be worse if you don’t join the gang.

Think back to 1987, 2000, and 2006.  There are far too many examples.

3.  The evil deeds slowly become bigger and clearly wrong, but people can say nothing

Hark back to 1987 when the coup was presented as a “bloodless coup in paradise” – the international journalists’ ultimate holiday. 

Anirudgh Singh
But coup opponents like Anirudh Singh and Som Prakash were abducted and tortured (Anirudh Singh has still not received justice from the courts); others were imprisoned; many Indo-Fijian civil servants (like John Samy) lost their jobs and were discriminated against in all kinds of ways. Government Development was refocused on indigenous Fijians, although all races were equally poor.

Hark back to 2000 when Chaudhry and other parliamentarians were held hostage for 57 days; when shops and houses were looted and burned, some planned deliberately by coup conspirators, but much also done by ordinary “decent” Fijians.

From moderate amounts of military over-expenditure in 1987, there were massive misuse of funds in 2006, 2007 and 2008.  Small assaults became bigger with people losing their lives.   Lack of accountability became widespread, with massive amounts of tax-payers’ money being lost.

Without any public emergency, a Public Emergency Decree is passed every month banning freedom of assembly. There is total media censorship at newspapers, radio and television stations. Long held basic human rights of workers and their unions are arbitrarily trashed.

There are deaths and violence in military custody which the police will not investigate.

The “good” people are now totally quiet.

4.   There appears to be a “lawful authority” which must be obeyed. 

In 1987 Ratu Penaia Ganilau was removed as Governor General but then quickly accepted the position of “President” in the new Republic, from which “authority” then flowed all other legal changes- including changing the constitution to make it more pro-indigenous Fijian.

In 2000 when the Chaudhry Government was held hostage in Parliament, Ratu Mara stated on TV that  Chaudhry could not return as Prime Minister; Bainimarama assumed Executive Authority after asking the President Ratu Mara to  “step aside”; he then appointed an illegal Interim Administration led by Qarase (without the ruling FLP Coalition) which then ruled the country as the “lawful authority”.

In 2006, an illegally appointed Acting Chief Justice legitimated the 2006 coup for three years, also illegally appointing  Iloilo as President, who then illegally authorized the Bainimarama Government to initiate the NCBBF, the Charter etc. etc  which all the coup collaborators then followed as “the President’s Mandate” for this or that.  Yet the 2009 Appeal Court judgment ruled that it was all illegal and treasonous.

Iloilo was eventually replaced by Epeli Nailatikau first as Acting then later as full President, who then signed  and still signs today, all kinds of Military Decrees which are enforced by the judiciary as the “law of the land”.

Zimbardo observed that military soldiers, whose wearing of uniforms made them anonymous, were particularly vulnerable:  “higher authority” MUST be obeyed, or the solider would be charged with sedition or mutiny.  Witness the supreme irony of an illegal treasonous Military Regime wanting to charge Ratu Tevita for sedition!

Soldiers and civil servants cannot question whether orders from “above” are lawful or not: all must be followed blindly.

5.  The “once compassionate and principled” leader becomes authoritarian and dictatorial, and his supporters cannot handle the change

Look at the stated objectives of Bainimarama when he did the coup in 2006; look at what he has become after five years.

Most initial coup supporters who established, justified and strengthened Bainimarama in the first place, have not been able to publicly disagree and/or retract their support.

6.   The rules are  changing, and often unjustifiable.

Look no further than the Regimes “Military Decrees” expropriating private property, and denying residents the fundamental human right to take the Military Regime to court over perceived injustices.

Look at the military decrees which will be used to reduce pensions of existing pensioners.

Look at the decrees severely restricting the rights of unions, and the rights and freedoms of NGOs.

7.  Victims are made out to be evil, the evil deeds and persons are made out to be good. 

Look at the illegal Regime’s condemnation of  the lawful stance of Australia, NZ and the EU.

Look at their prosecution for “sedition” of former soldiers and coup supporters like Ratu Tevita Mara, unionists Daniel Urai and Felix Anthony- what supreme irony from  a totally treasonous government.

Look at the Military Regime constantly preaching about legality, accountability and good governance, to the Fiji Law Society, the Accountants Congress, or Chambers of Commerce, while totally ignoring all its own terrible breaches of these same principles.

8.  Socially important people publicly “legitimate” the illegal authority.

Public support is given by senior members of the judiciary, and institutions like the  Human Rights Commission; prominent political parties join in support; (Alliance in 1987, SVT in 2000, FLP in 2006); the traditional chiefs support the coups; the heads of religious organizations (Methodists in 1987 and 2000, the others in 2006) institutions like CCF take part in the NCBBF and Charter processes; stalwarts of Transparency International collaborate with the Regime.

Business tycoons of all races, heads of business and professional organizations such as Chambers of Commerce, Hotel Association of Fiji, Accountants Congress,  and universities all prominently recognize the illegal and Interim “Presidents”, “Prime Ministers”, “Attorney Generals” and Ministers of the Military Regime.- not to do so would jeopardize their businesses and assets, and their daily bread.

Even organisations like the IMF, WB and UN give full recognition and legitimacy to the Regime, while some even praise their policies.

Who can blame ordinary poor powerless members of the public for also recognizing the illegal Regime as lawful?

9. Some internal dissent is allowed but overall authority must not be challenged.

Look no further than the mild criticisms of the Bainimarama Regime by organisations such as CCF, ECREA and Transparency International.  One cleric trying desperately to enforce Wages Councils, in frustration accuses Bainimarama of “being like every other Prime Minister”, yet still recognizes him as the legitimate Prime Minister and Finance Minister.

10.  There is no easy exit for the followers

Once people join the illegal bandwagons, they cannot get off.   Many who supported the 1987 and 2000 coups later changed their minds, as have some who joined after the 2006 coup.  

Those who have grave doubts after witnessing the growing list of evils (listed at the beginning of this article), cannot criticize because of media restrictions, and cannot see any exit strategy. A few opponents escape overseas, like Jone Baledrokadroka and Ratu Tevita Mara.

But to explain Fiji’s coups, we need to add three other important catalysts to Zimbardo’s analysis, that encourage “good” people to support or do evil: revenge, self-interest, and “doing good”.

The “revenge” factor
Revenge is an easily understood very human emotion, as a powerful motivating factor for doing evil.

Many Indo-Fijians who suffered in the 1987 and 2000 coups, initially chuckled over the 2006 coup and the “same medicine” being meted out to those who supported the 1987 and 2000 coups.  They still chuckle today despite the devastation of the Indo-Fijian community in Fiji. Being allowed to call themselves “Fijian” is not going to feed the stomachs of the sugar cane farmers.

Several prominent persons ones, denied  national or international opportunities by previous racist governments, jumped in to “help” Bainimarama with his alleged objective of creating a racially equal society.

Everywhere in world, conflicts have flared for decades, fueled by the desire for revenge based on memories of injustice done to them decades or even centuries past.  All ignore the saying that “two wrongs do not make a right”.

Financial self-interest
In every Fiji coup, it has been difficult to separate “self-interest” from ideology as motivating factors, when certain groups and individuals have always gained:

After every coup, senior military officers were promoted to top civil servant positions way above that of their military ranks and salaries, while even the rank and file gain in salaries and perks, while other civil servants stood still. 

Former politicians who had no alternative jobs and incomes, jump in to allegedly “help” the country return to “normalcy”.

Powerful corporate persons jump in to support, while getting special concessions from an economically ignorant Military Regime desperate to encourage economic growth as a sign of their success as a “government”.

Select civil servants are promoted rapidly, enthusiastically supporting whatever was the dominant ideology of the coup leaders: “Fiji for Fijians” or “Affirmative Action for indigenous Fijians” or “People’s Charter and racial equality”.

Prominent individuals sidelined by previous governments are ready to jump on the new band-wagons, not just Indo-Fijians but also indigenous Fijians, kaivalagis and kailomas, many with nothing better to do.

Many former Fiji residents made buckets of money by coming back as consultants and advisers to the Military Regime.  Many have disappeared now, but will no doubt reappear for the next Bainimarama act- a new Constitution for Fiji promises more glory for some, and buckets of money for consultants.

The “doing good” factor
When one examines the many Regime supporters there are many decent citizens among them, who clearly are trying to “do good”.

There are many people who trying to help without any pecuniary benefit for themselves: in using Wages Councils to raise the incomes of workers not protected by people persons or squatter housing; or improve the electoral system; or reconciliation; or better governance of the country by serving on Boards and Councils; or serving on Commerce Commissions to try help the poor through price control (whether it works or not).

Some of these individuals may have been resentful because they may have been denied these opportunities by previous governments and now they have a public platform for their activities.

“Doing good” is a powerful motivating factor which often makes people blind to the greater evil that they may become part of, especially when the good is very easily seen, while the evil effects are far more nebulous and out of sight, and easily ignored.

Lessons for Fiji: Zimbardo’s 10 steps and the Power of One
While all these coups have resulted in enormous evil for Fiji, these large groups of coup supporters cannot be described as intrinsically “evil”:  they are just ordinary people who have taken a wrong turn in life, because others in their social reference group were taking that turn.

The real challenge is how we get ordinary “good” people to stop supporting “evil” actions and oppose the evil?

Zimbardo observed that while “evil” has been extensively studied, as well as outstanding good individuals like Mahatma Gandhi or Nelson Mandela or Mother Theresa, there have been few studies of ordinary people who do “good”, often  heroically “against the tide”

Zimbardo pointed to the many psychology experiments where hundreds of people would pass by an obviously sick or injured person lying in the street and not intervene.   But the moment one individual did stop to help, then numerous others also rushed in to help.

Zimbardo suggested ten steps that ordinary people could take to resist mass pressure to do unethical “evil” deeds and withdraw if they have been already been pulled in (these apply equally to Fiji).

1.         Admit mistakes, apologize and seek forgiveness. 

            Given the numbers and groups who have supported coups since 1987, Albert Park would be full and totally multi-racial, unlike the last unilateral Qarase attempt after the 2000 coup.  There are few groups left in Fiji who can claim that they are “without sin” and can “cast the first stone”).

2.         Be critical of those in authority.

3.         Only accept just authority: reject and expose unjust authority
4.         Take personal responsibility for your actions- stop using the excuse “I was only      following orders”.

5.         Avoid being stereotyped by the “gang” mentality: assert your individuality.

6.         Do not compromise personal morality and ethics especially when leaders demand that you “must be a team player”.

7.         Be aware of social manipulation, especially through the media.

8.         Never sacrifice real personal and civic freedoms, for the illusion of current or future security.  Be wary of leaders who ask that individuals must sacrifice their basic human rights “for the greater good”.

9.        Oppose unjust systems not just as an individual, but also in co-operation with others who have similar principles and vision as you, because there is greater safety and effectiveness in numbers.

10.       Be aware that the present MUST one day pass, and the future will hold you           accountable for your actions.

Moving out of  Fiji “boxes”
Of course, it will be incredibly difficult for our people to follow these ten steps, when for more than a century, Fiji’s citizens have stayed in our “boxes”, small reference groups, our comfort zones, our own communities narrowly defined usually by ethnicity, culture or religion, our old school affiliation, our social and sports clubs, our grog gangs.

We do not see people in “other boxes” or “other communities” as legitimate parts of one’s own society, with everyone to be treated equally, and subject to the same rules.

Our people forgive anything wrong originating from within our  own “boxes”, even it seems, serious crimes punishable by death, such as  treason, while we so easily recognize and respect unlawful  authority associated with our “gang members”.  Respect for the rule of law is not just extremely fragile in Fiji, but I fear, it is non-existent.

These required changes in behavior cannot be achieved by violence against the Regime (as anonymous bloggers often advocate) nor by Bainimarama’s soldiers with guns, even if they genuinely believed in these objectives.

It is sad that Fiji’s different communities will have to take their own initiatives independently of this illegal Military Regime, and not wait for the alleged Nirvana in 2014.

We have to battle the Media Censorship and Military Decrees which have taken away all our basic human rights of freedom of speech, assembly and association.

We must state publicly and under our own names that an illegal Military Regime has no lawful authority to tell Fiji people by what date (2014?) they are going to “restore” basic human rights to us, when they had no authority to take away these rights in the first place.

Fiji would be greatly helped if the “good” people supporting the “evil” Military Regime were to join hands with those who wish to peacefully restore basic human rights and freedoms in Fiji immediately.

Good people do not have to continue to be party to evil.

50 comments:

Taukei 5. said...

Yet another long winded rhetorical exercise by Narsey.

Vore - Nailatikau & others will "never" - repeat "never" - willingly relinquish power without some sort of indemnity clause for crimes committed - which leaves the Q.
How can Viti possibly move forward if torture & murder is deemed acceptable?

Anonymous said...

Another excellent piece Wadan. You didn't mention however that in times like this society also looks to the intelligensia - specially academics in institutions such as USP to be our "critic and conscience". They came to the fore in 1987 (under Caston) and 2000 (under Solofa) ut in 2006 (apart from Narsey) they have not only been completely silent but also complicit. As a regional orgnanisation, one should expect USP to fulfil this role but ALAS they have been discgraceful!!!

Anonymous said...

Another excellent piece Wadan. You didn't mention however that in times like this society also looks to the intelligensia - specially academics in institutions such as USP to be our "critic and conscience". They came to the fore in 1987 (under Caston) and 2000 (under Solofa) ut in 2006 (apart from Narsey) they have not only been completely silent but also complicit. As a regional orgnanisation, one should expect USP to fulfil this role but ALAS they have been discgraceful!!!

Time to be heard said...

Very relevant particularly the last half

Ninja said...

Wadan why do you always refer to 87 as the rabuka/mara coup. Hasnt rabuka already said that Rt Mara had nothing to do with 87.So please let the dead rest in peace.

mark manning said...

@ ninja 551 p.m.
He who forgets the past is bound to repeat it.
In my humble view, for Fiji to move forward in a progressive, permanent and positive way, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, must be told now.
If bits and parts are left out, then history is bound to repeat itself.
It's not about recrimination as such, but recognising realities or perceptions of those realities , so that all pertinent matters can be addressed to everyones and to all interested parties, satisfactions.

mark manning said...

One can't live with the dead, but one can learn from their Legacy.

Wilson Tamanikaira said...

A more apt quote is from the Bible in that, we need to plant seeds on fertile ground.

Before 87,the military has provided the grounds for many good men and women who want to do good for their country and military careers. However, since 87, something has tragically poisoned the once hallowed turf up at QEB and has evidently been the deathnell of both mlilitary personnel and country

Since 87,Fiji's single biggest problem has emanated from QEB where rotten military officers have emerged to spread destruction on the political, economic,legal, technological and social fabric of our society.

The solution is easy.

Lets get rid of the military totally from our society including all vestiges of its history.

Restructure the Police Force with new a public friendly vision and mission. Create new operational Policing that reflects modern community social values and constitutional human rights expectations.

That way,we rid the country of the present treasonous military mentality,guns and ordinances needed for crimes against humanity such as what has been occuring for the last 24 years in Fiji.

Anonymous said...

Talking about Truth reminds me that all coup perpetrators are liars and deceivers to their teeth, and will remain so until they die.

Anonymous said...

We will support the prime minister only if he goes back to the 2006 orginal plan and announce elections, get rid of the current people who are working to their own benefit- people like:

- AG
- current compol
- Aziz
- minister for health

Sir, vasota, as a captain in army we are saddened by the manuplicaton of the system by ag,compol and chief of staff aziz and your name being tainted.

Bring back core of the advisors and take us to elections and changes.

Then we will support you sir.

QEB

Take it easy said...

From WN's video link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UONGL_c3KQY&feature=related), playhead @ 4:06, we realize how important it is for soldiers to change their physial appearance to do evil. In olden days, warriors were painting their body in black, etc..etc... interesting.

Oh, now that interim prime minister commodore voreqe bainimarama is wearing civil uniforms, does it mean he is less likely to torture people? ;-)

Anonymous said...

QEB 8.22
. . . when will you show some kind of ability to see ahead of the present. Wake up - if you want more of the same and worse, then continue to support bent banana.
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QEB, along with the rest of Fiji will be brought down to a state worse than Greece and any other bankrupt nation - you might be there already if the truth is known, but you are yet to suffer the outcome which is degrading, grinding poverty for decades to come.
---BANANA IS FINISHED---------
... there is nothing he can do to redeem himself - NOTHING.
Stop supporting a dead/lost cause.
banana and aiyarse are criminals, traiters, fraudsters & treasonists.
banana lost his way when he killed his own men.
banana lost his way when he stopped the media from telling the truth.
banana lost his way when he stole money from the taxpayers.
banana lost his way when he beat and tortured women.
... the list goes on & on ...
banana and his dozen or so supporters are eveil history.
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STOP dreaming about what might have been and WAKE-up to reality.
The Fiji Military are a rotting dead horse carcase, stinking across the country.
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The few good men that are still on the side lines MUST take action, recognising that you all will stink until the winds of democracy blow away the evil smells of military coups.
.. ARE WE THERE YET ??
-Sydney Tourist

mark manning said...

@ W.T. 752 p.m.
That's an over simplification I think.
I think that Fijians need to really learn just what Democracy is, how it differs from Cultural and Traditional concepts and what its role is, especially given the intricacies of Fiji's Politics and Society etc.

Another point I want to highlight here is the lack of accountability and willingness of the Legitimate Authority to detain, arrest and prosecute offenders.

You can't continue to live life as if your still in the dark ages and after 41 years of Independence, you can't keep blaming the English, Australians and New Zealanders for what is essentially, an internal problem.

There is much work to be done and I'm hopeful and quietly confident, that if enough good Citizens, with good intentions can be found, that Fiji and will be able to put their Communities back together again, fairly quickly and without bloodshed.

But only time will tell.

W.Tamanikaira said...

For those wondering whether the dictator, Bainimarama is on the right track given his "Look North" strategy for economic prosperity for Fiji's citizens.

Read what pro -Gaddafi idiots are lamenting about today.

This was Libya.

1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all
its citizens.

2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and
loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.

3. Having a home considered a human right in Libya.

4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the
government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the
family.

5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi
only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83
percent.

6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive
farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to
kickstart their farms are all for free.

7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they
need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid
for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car
allowance.

8. If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price.

9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.

10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150
billion are now frozen globally.

11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state
would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is
employed, until employment is found.

12. A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the
bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.

13. A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000.

14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15.

15. 25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.

16. Gaddafi carried out the world's largest irrigation project, known
as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available
throughout the desert country.


The list is impressive isn't it?

Well,as of today it is confirmed that the majority of Lybians were not happy with the list of goodies because one essential ingredient is missing....and that is, a free and open democratic society where individuals have a say in how they wish to be governed.

Everybody, including the dictator Bainimarama had better learn that all the money in world cannot buy freedom from oppression.

Parents of Fiji,do not sacrifice the future freedoms of your children for a few pieces of silver today.

Wandan is revealing some truths, in particular the one about jumping on the coup bandwagon and being hypnotised into thinking that all the mess created by the illegal regime is actually good for the country.

Do as the Lybians did...wake up from their slumber and unite to take control of their own destiny as how they see fit within a democratic system.

W.Tamanikaira said...

For those wondering whether the dictator, Bainimarama is on the right track given his "Look North" strategy for economic prosperity for Fiji's citizens.

Read what pro -Gaddafi idiots are lamenting about today.

This was Libya.

1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all
its citizens.

2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and
loans given to all its citizens at zero percent interest by law.

3. Having a home considered a human right in Libya.

4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 dinar (U.S.$50,000) by the
government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the
family.

5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi
only 25 percent of Libyans were literate. Today, the figure is 83
percent.

6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive
farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to
kickstart their farms are all for free.

7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they
need, the government funds them to go abroad, for it is not only paid
for, but they get a U.S.$2,300/month for accommodation and car
allowance.

8. If a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidizes 50 percent of the price.

9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.

10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amounting to $150
billion are now frozen globally.

11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state
would pay the average salary of the profession, as if he or she is
employed, until employment is found.

12. A portion of every Libyan oil sale is credited directly to the
bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.

13. A mother who gives birth to a child receive U.S.$5,000.

14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $0.15.

15. 25 percent of Libyans have a university degree.

16. Gaddafi carried out the world's largest irrigation project, known
as the Great Manmade River project, to make water readily available
throughout the desert country.


The list is impressive isn't it?

Well,as of today it is confirmed that the majority of Lybians were not happy with the list of goodies because one essential ingredient is missing....and that is, a free and open democratic society where individuals have a say in how they wish to be governed.

Everybody, including the dictator Bainimarama had better learn that all the money in world cannot buy freedom from oppression.

Parents of Fiji,do not sacrifice the future freedoms of your children for a few pieces of silver today.

Wandan is revealing some truths, in particular the one about jumping on the coup bandwagon and being hypnotised into thinking that all the mess created by the illegal regime is actually good for the country.

Do as the Lybians did...wake up from their slumber and unite to take control of their own destiny as how they see fit within a democratic system.

Anonymous said...

OMG...I felt asleep half way through reading the article.Dr Narsey could you please cut short your article, so some of us dummies
could read it without falling asleep?

Anonymous said...

Narsey....why are people supporting this government? Was the alternate any better?the qarase government?why now Narsey? Did not hear you go full steam ahead with sideline comments during the past coups or during qarase's reign of deception. Is it because you are now NOT RELEVANT to Fiji?

Anonymous said...

Its easy for the professor to talk, he is learned and economically self sufficient unlike others who 'have no income and alternative jobs' after being shown the door.
What the professor writes about is the 'ideal world, this is not it and it never will be'. So, make the best you can with what you have, in essence live right, for your family, and, to god.

Joker said...

@Ninja

Everyone knows that KKT was behind that coup irrespective of what Rabuka says.

The same goes for the Speight/Bainimarama 2000 coup. Everyone knows that Bainimarama was behind it in spite of what Speight says or did not say.

Anonymous said...

Whatever he thinks about events in Fiji, Wadan Narsey is guilty of gross exaggeration in using the term "evil" to describe the actions of the regime. For the record, here are the accepted meanings of "evil", according to Wikipedia:

"Definitions of evil vary along with analysis of its root motive causes, however general actions commonly considered evil include: conscious and deliberate wrongdoing, discrimination designed to harm others, humiliation of people designed to diminish their psychological needs and dignity, destructiveness, and acts of unnecessary and/or indiscriminate violence that are not legitimate acts of self-defense but aggressive and designed to cause ill-being to others.

It's only in Wadan's mind - and those who support him - that the regime falls within these descriptions. For many other people, including the "good" he writes about, the regime is righting wrongs and restoring dignity to those who suffered from the racism and corruption of the SDL.

It's especially wrong when it comes to the notion discrimination. It was the SDL, not the regime, who discriminated against non-indigenous Fijians and only the military proved capable of reversing a tide of discriminatory laws. These were not good laws so why would good people support them?

So Wadan, that is why the "good" people you speak of are party to the "evil" you speak of and why you are isolated and despairing. The evil is only in your own mind. The "good" know where good ultimately lies. The regime may behave poorly or badly but evil? Hitler was evil. Bainimarama is not.

Anonymous said...

A very relevant application of Phillip Zimbardo's views on "evil influences".

So true in Fiji's case. What else can we say???

Anonymous said...

As usual, Wadan has once again says it as it is!!!

There is so much evil people in the current military regime!

Anonymous said...

The first coup was in 1977 by the Ratu's

There is absolutely no doubt about that and KKT and Co. planned well for the next by involving the Bati to ensure success. You can only pull a trick once.

Inshalla

How low do we go, how low will we set the bar.
There is no limit. Poverty, hate, crime, death and starvation can all be ours, there is no limit, it is a bottomless pit.
How deep will we dig.We have a populace that does not read,no imagination, so must experince. It is obvious that we must hit bottom. The elite is still the elite and have not learned anything yet, they are the coup makers, until they learn we are doomed to coup cycle.

Inshalla

Anonymous said...

Vinaka Wadan. Can you give us your e-mail address please?

The Oracle said...

I find it interesting that it has taken a lot of research and hands-on tests for acadamics/experts like Zimbardo to state the obvious: in all humans there are elements of "good" and "evil" - and sometimes "evil" is overlooked and even condoned as a "necessity" towards achieving "the overall good".

This trait goes back to the beginning of mankind. The story of Cain and Abel; the crowd's reaction to Pontius Pilate "washing" his hands of Jesus' fate.

Shakespeare in a number of his plays refers to how fickle a crowd can become. Lord of the Flies, as Narsey points out is also a fine example of how people (in this case young men) can be caught up "in the heat of the moment" and how the "strong" prey on the weak. Then there's the example of Animal Farm, how the interests of the masses are manipulated to become the interests of a few.

Remember 2000 when "good" people were pushing home to Raiwaqa through Brown Street, trolleys overloaded with essential food items stolen from supermarkets; how, because someone had "conveniently" shattered the glassed windows of shops in Cumming Street, "good" people, including those who had "good paying jobs", like bank officers, looted but in a "choosy" way - just anything wouldn't do, it had to be the most expensive - Nike, Polaroid, Elizabeth Arden etc.

What about those so-called "good" people who supplied bread to the masses in Parliament in 2000; who provided transportation and who provided food and finances?

And at the end of it all, these "good" people go to church on Sundays to offer thanks for the "blessings" they've received.

While I wouldn't recommend it to Zimbardo, it would be interesting to see how people you know personaly to be good and closely trusted friends change before your eyes and are so easily "caught up in the moment" in a gang rape. I've actually witnessed this, so I know what I'm talking about.

All those "good" people who condone the current "evils" in Fiji because it will eventually lead to a better Fiji should be made to account for their stance.

So be warned -- if there is any blood shed in any struggle to overthrow the Fiji regime, do not expect that the flow can be stopped with BandAid. The "heat of the moment" will take its toll.

Anonymous said...

Wadan long tirade is all known even to our children, because that is part of our human nature. We live in an environment where good and eveil, positive and negative vibes exist and no one can run away from it. The soldiers carry out the boss order whether they like it or not, and yet they still go to church and praise god with blooded hands. How can you comprehend that is a contested isssue.
My only concern and request to wadan and other academia hiding outside Fiji, to please look for tangible solutions to our problems now.

Anonymous said...

Prof. Narsey, you have really brought out a gem this time that has and will continue to prick people's conscience. Thank you for your perseverance to stir people up in the right direction. It has brought out some very good reaction from bloggers.

Can someone please confirm or otherwise that Ratu Naiqama presented a whale's tooth and asked for forgiveness from the nation on behalf of the coup makers and supporters of the 2000 coup? And Mahendra Chaudry and gang (including Bainimarama) refused to accept?

Can we then expect these same people to now apologize and ask for forgiveness? I think not!

Only the God we serve through Jesus Christ will be able to get us out of this mess.

11. Turn to the only living God, to empty yourself of evil, forgive Bainimarama and his supporters, and pray to Him to help us out of this mess and hell.

God is out Helper!

Anonymous said...

FYI

We police officers dont support this compol and thats why if you had noticed only 10% of the police officers came to sukuna bowl on friday.

Even in the VIP lounge only a few senior police officers turned up as police was hosting sukuna bowl this year.

This compol is very corrupt and his wife is dictating all police officers what to wear and what to do .

we are fed up with this compol. He even called today a meeting of all senior officers at international school to make a mockery of us all - as to why we didnt turn up in sukuna bowl!!!

PM please sack this compol and let us to our job. Enough of running around for fitness like monkeys !!

Police HQ (SSP)

The Oracle said...

@Anon11.15

Naiqama's Matanigasau:
Yes Ratu Naiqama did, at one time, present a tabua at a very public event. HOWEVER, it was never directed at Chaudhry/Bainimarama and in fact neither was part of the presentation. So, it would be incorrect to suggest, in the first place, that Rt Naiqama presented a tabua to Bainimarama/Chaudhry.
The issue most people asked at the time was: Why and to whom was he presenting his mata ni gasau? It appeared to many to have been mis-directed - (to the SDL government)!!

As for Prayers:
God's message has always been clear from what the Bible teaches: He will help those who first help themselves. All the praying in the world won't move a thing - only when one makes a move to help oneself will God provide his guidance. To truly understand and accept God, we need to make a genuine attempt to live in His image. Praying alone is not the answer. Neither is confessing your sins and repeating them straight after confession!!!

Anonymous said...

Oh great!! This solves all our problems. Does it?? Anything contructive to get us where we want to be Wadan?? Oh you going to do this for the rest of you life??

Anonymous said...

All Narseys writes about with regards to researches is not new material.We can expound of others writings etc but never get to the core of the problem until and unless we undertstand the complexity which is Fiji and its various peoples, its past histories etc. To just bring forward a white persons research into a complex society is to try & find simple solutions to very, very complex problem. Fijians on the whole have held beliefs which they hold dear, thru their traditons, customs etc. Some have become diluted thru time, thru changes in their beliefs systems eg now they have taken Christianity which in its early days did its best to get rid of past practices & behaviours-some with success and some without. To judge the ordinary Fijian based on some white mans concept of 20 century norms and values is wrong because to do is to err until and unless you understand their mentality & also the thinking process of the peoples to things they hold dear.Warden does write and quote from old research & theories applicabe maybe to a the type of society the researchers have come form but to apply these concepts as universal is not as simple as it may sound. Place yourself in the life of an ordinary Fijian living in the village and try to explain to him or her that a "foreign" people is now running the Government! They cannot and will not grasp that an election has been held and one party won & one lost its from these basic tenents of their belief system that one has to come to grasp with -the same that is happening right before our eyes with Frank in the leadership role! Ask yourself this if there was someone of a different ethnic background leading Fiji now even with the Army in power would you think the people from grassroots level stand by and watch as they are now? Yes we can all be brainwashed, yes when it comes to looking at what side of your bread is buttered you will may your choices, its called survival! So before we start reading into research results lets be weary where these research have been done and on whome! There are far, far deeper systems at play here and for idiots like Manning who belives that democracy is the answer-you have to accept the fact it has not wokrked for us-the question is WHY? The voice of the Indigenous Fijians have to be heard not the ravings of Manning who has yet to put his money where his mouth is especially with regards to Aborignes in his country!Until the Fijians understand and accept what the changes means what it requires of them-all we do write & talk about is an absoulte waste of time-before you can educate the masses you need to educate the LEADERS-they tend to be the instigators of upheavial-the masses are basiclly followers. Its not something new and you don't need University degree to know that. here is my example of how this research can be applied "when Rabuka was aksed as he claims to plan a coup-as a honoured Officer of the Crown to which he had sworn alligance to and also an educated officer-he could have said NO! He didn't -now ask yourself which was the more pressing issue to him democracy or a change in Leadership from the Taukei ni vanuas to someone of a different race-VULAGI! Now you see how complex the issues become when someone of his calibre is put on the spot-what do you then expect of the ordinary village folkes-something better! DRi Yani

Sad Daze said...

Wadan Nasey bases his argument on the fact that anything that is not democratic is evil, that democratically elected individuals can do no wrong. The question is What is Evil ?, Adolf Hitler was democratically elected and his Aryan policy were remarkably similar to the Fijian policy that was introduced by the democratically elected Qarase some 70 years later, and what of Mugabe he was democratically elected, can he do no wrong Wadan?, and were not Qarase's cronyism and land policies similar to those of Mugabes. Were all the people that opposed Hitler evil?, clearly that is would be the basis of Wadan Narseys democracy is always right, argument. Who is Wadan Narsey to say that Bainimarama is evil.

Wadan "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" (1 Cor 6:2)

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Nov 15, 111:15 am yes Ratu Naiqama & SDL supporters did do a matanigasau-common sense tells you that you approach the person harmed first to tell them of you intentions! Not to go public because than it all becomes a show! I also recall in Fijian tradition there is the right to refuse-why go and do a public apology go to the leaders of the injured Party which was the Labour Party and do your matanigasau if you honest & sincere and let them ie the Labour Party tell its supporters what has transpired! All was for show just as the allocation of the cabinet positions-some of us aren't fooled by such behaviour & knew the games that were played-for the Fijians to say 'we even went and apologised but they didn't turn up" good argument but what was the whole intention behind th exercise especially when the receiver of the matanigasau was the President(if i recall correctly)-wasn't he a nominee of the Great Council of Chiefs, did he represent other races or the Labour Party?? Lets not get carried away with games-Qarase had a chance to become a great Leader but was caught up in the games of playing 'cowboys & indians"-its the mentality that finally shows thru!Had he grabbed the bull(Frank) by the balls we would not be in the predicament we now in!

Anonymous said...

Zimbardos project was canned if u recall he was a sadist, his own wife put a stop to the project or experiment

prof_esr said...

A wonderful example of non-sequitur riddled article.

I find it rather selective on Wadan Narsey's part to bring in the Gitmo example, yet obfuscate the circumstances in which those institutions were created ala Iraq war and weapons of mass destruction.

Further, Narsey omits the illegal extraordinary rendition by CIA and those black flights that landed in many democratic countries; which automatically makes them legally culpable to the deed.

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Finnish+report+on+suspected+CIA+extraordinary+rendition+flight+leaves+many+open+questions/1135269788847

Perhaps the example of Stanley Milgram experiments is also applicable to academics.

The global financial crisis is a stark reminder of this dichotomy, where many tenured Economic Professors and many professional financial experts did not see this coming.

I might add, neither did Wadan Narsey, who is a qualified economists and could not see the major financial iceberg floating; what makes him qualified to identify other flotsam and jetsam in another tumultuous sea lane like politics in Fiji.

Unless, Narsey is one of the so called Economists who were co-opted by the neo-classical theories and now have shifted their career paths (as the wind blows) to a political columnist.

Erudite scholar said...

Yes a tad long but Wadan remains one of the most relevant commentators on Fiji.

Narsey fan said...

I'll take the wisdom Wadan Narsey any day

Anonymous said...

This piece by professor Narsey sums it all up and I'm glad I didnt jump on the bandwagon from day one of the coup..following every single detail from december 2006,I must say all that have jumped on the bandwagon were mere opportunists..that includes Doctor senilagakali..who is now 6 feet under and good riddance..Bernadette Rounds Ganilau who is now suffering from sugar diabetes..funny we dont hear much of that Manu Korovulavula all who were so quick to jump on the bandwagon..now we have opportunistic academics like VC Chand from USP who ever since joining USP has helped brought the credibility and accreditation of the university to an all time low..gutter level to say the list and all the others who are now running government..

Anonymous said...

Huge bouquet for Narsey for going where angels would fear to tread. Thought provoking piece that will no doubt bring the detractors and the green-eyed monsters roaring out of the closet.

Anonymous said...

Complaints complaints complaints. Wadan can afford to be objective and critical, he is well off financially and when shown the door, walks out and sings good song. But the ideal Fiji that he longs for, can only be realised after a major drenching war with the IG. So far, there are no warriors and freedom fighters, merely opportunists and con artists. What a show. What farce!

Anonymous said...

@ anon nov 15 5.10 pm..here we go again..some people use and blame the ordinary fijian in the village for not understanding democracy..that has been an excuse for too long..cudos to professor narsey for bringing out the true account of what is and is reality..rather then making assumptions on what one educated fijian thinks of his uneducated villager..People have been using this excuse for too long.

Anonymous said...

@The Oracle

suggest you read 11. again as you do your bible....

Anonymous said...

No one is claiming the ordinary Fijians don't understand democracy-democracy to themis a foreigh flower as Qarse once saisd-that is fron a perspective of a Fijian! He lived in a society where such practises didn't occur-for along time he was used to living with decison making left to certain people, leaders, heads of households etc!You give him the the so called "liberty' to vote but when his sees his candidates (Chiefs) lose out his first reaction is there is something wrong with the system! Do you blame them for that? Its easy to sit in comforts of a cosy home and write articles when you have never gone and understood the mentality of whats makes the person "tick"-they beliefs, fears etc. The success of Bainimarama now is due to his keen understanding of how the ordinary folkes see themselves against the world they now live in- the breaks the core issues of "your land will be stolen " message which was like a broken radio-to opening up the land for usage-rightly or wrongly. People now realise that the wealth was always in their hands not the shop owners in Suva! Thats the Psychology being played out right now -its for those who are smart to think of ways to counter that, thas is the challenge-Land is not an issue now-as Bainimarama has taken that out of the equation! Unless someone can tell and convince the landowners otherwise-that they will not now benefit from all these developments-good, better or otherwise! Just to bark up the tree is not going to make the cat come down! We may not like what he is doing but guess what other Govts have not come to the party to get rid of him simply because they see "merits" in what is been done-something a legally elected Govt will never be able to do because of "RED" tape and also of the power bases they all come from!
Ask yourself this-if the likes of Baledrokadroka,Ganilau, Roko Ului, Nailatikau could have got rid of Frank why didn't they! Therein lies part of the answer! DRi Yani!

Concerned Fijian said...

Stupid professor, Fiji is no where near any of these countries being mentioned or any of the people involved. Get a life wadan and stop bull shitting people!!!

Anonymous said...

@ Anon 4.42..Not at all..if a villager sees a chief he wont vote for him..that is your assumption but is not always the case..get a life..fijians in the village are now more advanced..you are talking ancient history and democracy is not a foreign flower to grassroot fijians..that is just the old excuse opportunists use to get away with the wrongs they have committed..

Vodo Loto said...

Anon @ 6.48

Which village are you talking about? Maybe you've been too long in the city that you forgot what life is like in the 'oro.

The sun will turn to ice and the moon turn green before a Fijian forsakes his chief and his talatala.

When the chief says vote SDL, and the talatala says vote SDL, thats it, SDL takes the election!

The only way to change this is through education, and thats why the education budget for the past 30yrs has been so low.... the chiefs and Fijian leaders don't want the commoners to be educated. Keep them uneducated, and they are easy to control.

Anonymous said...

All the treasonous traitors should be marched down the street and straight to jail. What they have done to Fiji can never ever be forgiven. When they die, they will go to Hell.

Anonymous said...

Vodo Loto and Concerned Fijian are doing exactly what they accuse the past govt of. Only worse because of their almost 6 year term pillaging the nation's treasury.

Why do you think the two kanalotos are here in cyberspace defending their BS junta? Because they cannot censure and control cyber content. Too bad too sad - let the TRUTH ring loud and clear, bloggers!! lols....

Anonymous said...

@ vodoloto..I go to the village every weekend in Tailevu every weekend and we are more advanced there cause we take no shit from the talatala or village chief..everyone makes his?her own decision when making that tick on the ballot box..sa kua na via vakilakila boidada baleta ni da na rogoca ga na ka era tukuna ia tu ga vei keda na kaukauwa ni vakatulewa..da digitaka ga na dui ka e ganiti keda yadua..nodra cakacaka ga na i taltala kei na turaga ni vanua na veivakasalataki ia sa tu vei keda yadua na digidigi..

Anonymous said...

Wadan highlights a common occurrence in cultures where "evil" is permitted by "good" people. I feel so uncomfortable that I can't discuss problems here in Fiji without having people telling me to shut up, we don't want to hear it. Is it because it stirs their conscience?

Just the other day, the Ministry of (DIS) Information replayed a story where villagers and chiefs in Gau were extolling Bainimarama and his co-conspirators for bringing progress in the form of bridges, roads and a jetty for Garani. People I was watching it with said that this "government" is doing some good things. Then we found out the next day from a relative that all that was promised in that story is on hold because the money has run out. And yet it is still played on Fiji TV!

I hear stories every week of personal hardship caused directly by this dictatorship. My nursing relatives who have not been paid overtime since May 2011 but are still expected to work it and hopefully be given extra time off later. Yet, when they are given that time off, they are called to work because the hospitals are so short staffed.

Last week, I heard from a man who was arbitrarily sent home by the army from his local government job with no warning, losing his house, vehicle and income in one fell swoop. And he has a wife and 2 young children to support.

You might say I am making this up because I don't use names, not even my own, and I feel ashamed to not use my own name. That is what this country has come to.

Even journalists say they are self censoring now to avoid problems, and doing it without realising. One friend told me he is surprised when he compares his writing today with five years ago, surprised at how his language has changed.

The changes are insidious and will need a conscious effort to redress when this dictatorship is gone.

Thanks Wadan for taking us outside this society if even for a short time and reminding us of what Fiji can be. And anyone who berates you for speaking so bravely while outside Fiji forgets your bravery while you were still living here.