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Wednesday, December 28, 2011

Feedback on Snoqualmie's Seattle casino gives some idea of what's ahead for Fiji

American businessman Larry Claunch has yet to reveal how the Denarau and Suva casinos will be run other than to say it will have something like 500 slot machines and 54 gaming tables.


A look at the Seattle casino his business partner the native American Indian tribe, Snoqualmie, runs gives some idea to what the new controversial Fiji casinos will be like.


That casino has already divided tribal members and Seattle residents who have complained about too much smoke, the low calibre of artists, to the way the casino has generally failed to deliver prosperity to its estimated 600 members.


If anything, it is bringing in just a quarter of the revenue projected with the tribe unable to fix the problems because of in-house fighting.


Coverage by the Seattle Times has generated several thousand comments including the following, which gives some insight to what's ahead for Fiji. While there is some support for the tribe and what it is trying to do, most of the comments show a dislike for 'tacky' casinos and the failure of Snoqualmie to make good on its word.




hiltonbaas
Edith Weston
September 26, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Oh dear, capitalism isn't working? Another free handout? Sure! (not)


leoflrz
Tacoma, WA
September 26, 2009 at 12:01 PM
Guess them feeling the economic pinch, which they also seeing the unemployment rate keep going up.


howard2
woodinville, WA
September 26, 2009 at 11:54 AM
this is not just an Indian problem, any time there is the perception of "easy" money," you are going to find greed which will lead to in-fighting.


AngryBadger24
Smellevue, WA
September 26, 2009 at 11:51 AM
Casinos are in the business for one reason only: To Make Money !!
Do they post the payback odds? no...
Knowing an IT guy for a nameless company who knows the programs of these machines once said; A little salmon told me that the machines are 'geared to take'
These Casinos are bogus..If you can afford to lose... go and have fun.. If you need to watch your pennies, dont go. save up for that something that you wanted to do before the casino moved into the area.. take a cruise or something..


raincityradio.org
seattle, WA
September 26, 2009 at 11:43 AM
Hey jackasses..... news flash..... lots of people still smoke. The few evenings I have spent out at Snoquamie, the place was packed. I couldn't find a table with less than 4 people on it. Oh yeah, and 90% of the people in there were smoking. Obviously smoking isn't keeping people away from there. If you want a smoke free casino, go to a casino that doesn't allow smoking.


MacAoidh
Issaquah, WA
September 26, 2009 at 11:42 AM
The reason the place does not do well is simple: Depite its fantastic views and convenient parking, the place stinks of stale tobacco smoke, the food is lousy, and the employees are incredibly rude. These guys need to hire some people with some experience in the hospitality industry. If you want a night out, go to Ken's Truck Stop in North Bend. You will have a better time.


flushdrawcharlie
Seattle, WA
September 26, 2009 at 11:38 AM
The economy is still bad stupids. No one can just go and gamble away.


jake536
kent, WA
September 26, 2009 at 11:21 AM
janereader:
You hit the nail on the head!
Nobody wants to travel that far to get their house payment sucked from them in 20 minutes. Just like I think the lottery should do, have more winners of less and they will flock in. Instead of a one in a million chance of multi millions, one in a hudred of winning thousands. I haven't been to a casino or played lotto in a long time for that reason. Oh, and good service (see my earlier post of the scum sucking muckleshoots).


radiodavey
Chehalis, WA
September 26, 2009 at 11:19 AM
All it takes is an article saying there is a problem that some tribe is dealing with and all of the hypocrites start flinging their venom. Do all of you really want more people out of work? Do all of you really hate Native Americans that much? We have had years of leadership in this country that has promoted distrust and fear of all that are not 'white'. I am not native but my family were European Jews, and I think the pattern of racial and religious fear is sort of familiar. The tribe will figure it out and fix it. Everybody needs to relax and appreciate how many people of all color are working and have BENEFITS due to their casino!!!


nuhips
seattle, WA
September 26, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Have to agree with many posts, it is by far the most expensive of the local casinos. Buffet is way over priced and the senior discount is only good weekday afternoons. It doesn't even include prime rib! The rewards pay bacvk the least of any in the area along with the slots. I've never seen that many at the gaming tables so as someone else said, must be the games they don't like. But every casino I go to, the lowest blackjack buy in tables are always crowded while many others sit idle. there should be a message there.
We have found the the Snoqualmie is the least smoky though. But they should look at the business their smoke free area does compared to the rest of the casino and expand that area.


Tundra219
Fall City, WA
September 26, 2009 at 11:10 AM
My husband and I live in the Snoqualmie Valley and went once to check out the casino. We were especially interested in the multiple dining options. We will never be back. Of all the casinos, the Snoqualmie's is by far the smokiest. Other casinos seem to mitigate this by better planning and ventilation. It's an afterthought at the Snoqualmie casino. The non-smoking section slot machines are right next to the smoking; it's a joke. The restaurants are completely smokey, so we won't consider any of them for meals.


iresean
Lake Stevens, WA
September 26, 2009 at 11:08 AM
First off I can not stand the commercials music it drives me up a wall.
The need to hire the right people to manage the casino and the tribes business structure.
As for Smoking I Love my cigars but I keep smoke to myself, I do not want to visit any casino that looks Like LA air.


Phil07
Everett, WA
September 26, 2009 at 10:50 AM
When they first starting running their costly $$$ TV ads I was curious about the other services they were offering. Remember the cigarette girl in the sexy dress who moved onto the tables and then hooked up with a "customer".
Either they have a prostitution operation on the side or very poor employee rules, if any.
I did notice in later ads they cleaned that one up a little so it would not be so obvious what she was doing.
Being farther away from Seattle than the other casinos and subject to snow cutting off their revenues in the winter months I guess they needed other incentives to bring in customers.
They could probably get more customers by offering free charter buses from the major cities in the area.
I also wonder how a newly recognized Indian nation with hardly any business sense and terrible bookkeeping could borrow so much money. Not even a tribal constitution to follow. They must have watched "Field of Dreams" a few too many times... They should have started with a much smaller casino and then expanded as revenues allowed. Instead of just building the "field", they built a "stadium" expecting instant wealth.
They need to drastically downsize and lease out the rest of the space, maybe to gamblers anonymous.
Aside from solving their own internal issues, the tribe needs to hire a management team that knows how to run a FRIENDLY casino in the Northwest. The personnel that they installed since the opening of the casino clearly have a Las Vegas fleece-the-visiting-sucker sort of attitude. They do not like winners. And despite what they may market, their demeanor is very adversarial when it comes to the customers.
The casino dining is expensive, but I certainly disagree that this casino caters to high-rollers. They put in 8 deck blackjack games, which worsens odds, and coupled that with mediocre rules. No high-roller is going like that. Also, as you can imagine after reading the article, they “sweat” large money being bet at their tables. I know a long-term losing gambler who got lucky one night last month and won $2k at the tables. He gave the chips to his girlfriend to cash out. After a 20-minute wait at the cage, they refused to redeem the chips because they couldn’t track which table she won them at. He had to drive back to the casino, give a play-by-play of what tables he was wagering at, have the pit personnel and surveillance verify it, and identify himself so they can “player track” him. Then they paid. I imagine if he wins again they may kick him out.
Another wealthy Eastside player bought a betting system off the Internet and tried it at Snoqualmie. Now obviously an Internet betting system doesn’t win long-term, but it scared the ignorant casino management into barring him after a few visits. They were just too scared of the action. But then they wonder why revenues are 25% of projected.


missstimp
snoqualmie, WA
September 26, 2009 at 12:39 PM
Wah Wah Wah. The casino is disgusting and I'm glad its losing money. Maybe it will disappear altogether. As someone who has to see it from my living room window every day, and hear its ventilation system, I could give a crap about what's happening to the tribe. Most of the people working there aren't even from the tribe. They are just kickin' back, waiting to collect the $$ without having to work at all. What a shock.
The tribe did nothing to make the community welcome them, doesn't care about the noise and traffic they brought in and now we should care about a stinky, nasty place that hosts grandmas in their sweatpants?
Good riddance.


coffeetime
Kingston, WA
September 26, 2009 at 10:19 AM
For all you gamblers reading this, the next time you go to a casino, look around at the other gamblers and ask yourself how many of them lack health insurance or anything resembling an emergency savings account or viable retirement account. Yet here they are, smoking, drinking and gambling. Years (weeks?) down the road, when their financial house of cards finally collapses, many people will be hollering that the rest of us need to come together to bail them out, all in the name of "compassion." Sorry, but as Jo Dee Messina would sing, "My give-a-damn's busted."


KellyGym
Kirkland, WA
September 26, 2009 at 9:40 AM
I am a snoqualmie tribe member. I have watched this divided behavior for many many years. I think we should have focused more on the education, counseling & health care programs & getting ourselves healthy on the inside before tackeling a BIG BUSINESS like the casino. I have heard Ted Kennedy say "With great opportunity comes great responsibility"! If we cannot communicate in a positive way with each other as a tribe, how can we communicate to the communities around the positive experience they will have at our business & it's services? Just my thoughts ~Kelly~


Loannightmare101
Seattle, WA
September 26, 2009 at 9:20 AM
determined the tribe was not keeping current on reimbursements on some contracts and grants, had advanced "large sums of money" without getting paid back, and that inaccurate record keeping made getting paid more challenging.
Oversight? Generally Accepted Accounting Principle's? Seems someone was playing Santa.
Stay away from gambling. This whole thing seems like an invented legal fiction. Tribe of 600? Land for a mega-plex casino, funded from 'Vegas, baby'???
Didn't any lights go off in anyone's head that this sounds too good to be true?
If sovereign, how do tribes get tax-exemption and tax benefits (welfare/etc.)??? If you are sovereign, reject all benefits from the federal government. If you accept 'benefits' and entitlements from the US taxpayer, then you must pay all other taxes and responsibilities--including paying taxes on the "earnings" (ill-gotten gains) from gambling. You shouldn't be able to sit on the fence and just pick flowers from both fields without dealing with the weeds and the thorns like the rest of us.


coffeetime
Kingston, WA
September 26, 2009 at 10:19 AM
For all you gamblers reading this, the next time you go to a casino, look around at the other gamblers and ask yourself how many of them lack health insurance or anything resembling an emergency savings account or viable retirement account. Yet here they are, smoking, drinking and gambling. Years (weeks?) down the road, when their financial house of cards finally collapses, many people will be hollering that the rest of us need to come together to bail them out, all in the name of "compassion." Sorry, but as Jo Dee Messina would sing, "My give-a-damn's busted."


KellyGym
Kirkland, WA
September 26, 2009 at 9:40 AM
I am a snoqualmie tribe member. I have watched this divided behavior for many many years. I think we should have focused more on the education, counseling & health care programs & getting ourselves healthy on the inside before tackeling a BIG BUSINESS like the casino. I have heard Ted Kennedy say "With great opportunity comes great responsibility"! If we cannot communicate in a positive way with each other as a tribe, how can we communicate to the communities around the positive experience they will have at our business & it's services? Just my thoughts ~Kelly~




Calumet
Walla Walla, WA
September 26, 2009 at 8:08 AM
Before the Snoqualmie Casino opened, there were 27 casinos in this state, with a majority of them in the Puget Sound area. Why did the Snoqualmie Tribe think we needed another one? There is only so much money to go around...
Here's the list:


    7 Cedars Casino
    Angel of the Winds Casino
    Chewelah Casino
    Coulee Dam Casino
    Emerald Queen Casino at I-5
    Emerald Queen Hotel & Casino - Fife
    Little Creek Casino Resort
    Lucky Dog Casino
    Lucky Eagle Casino
    Mill Bay Casino
    Muckleshoot Casino
    Nooksack Northwood Casino
    Nooksack River Casino
    Northern Quest Casino
    Okanogan Bingo Casino
    Point Casino, The
    Quil Ceda Creek Nightclub & Casino
    Quinault Beach Resort and Casino
    Red Wind Casino
    Shoalwater Bay Casino
    Silver Reef Hotel Casino Spa
    Skagit Valley Casino Resort
    Snoqualmie Casino
    Suquamish Clearwater Casino Resort
    Swinomish Casino
    Tulalip Casino
    Two Rivers Casino & Resort
    Yakama Nation Legends Casino


Le8roy
Graham, WA
September 26, 2009 at 8:07 AM
The Tribe needs to offer more! The slots are set too high for working folks. We don’t want to start by putting $1.00 or more to start playing a machine. Offer more at the buffet. The Muckleshoot offer a “free” meal if you stay in the casino for at least two hours. Normally, my free meal cost $50.00. A great way to make money! Also, officer a “large” smoke free area. Most of the people frequenting casinos are non-smokers.




CitizenTed
Tukwila, WA
September 26, 2009 at 7:33 AM
I live within rock throwing distance of "The biggest and best in the northwest" and refuse to give those greedy slobs and more money. They have the WORST service anywhere and all they want is more, more, more. They rape your wallet at every opportunity for beer, food, etc. and act like you're putting them out for wanting something. Oh, and have a look at the fireworks stands the week after the fourth. Disgusting. It looks just like the slums they live in 1/4 mile up the road. They even have the nerve to sell "Native Pride" hats. They must be proud of filth.
I will bet that within two years we hear news reports of tribal members or management skimming money too.


dmpi
Seattle, WA
September 26, 2009 at 6:48 AM
Even if they met the rosy forecast, 375 million in debt to generate 12 million is only a 3.2% return. Maybe they think there is some growth here, but I doubt it. I think it's mostly a case of bad timing and overcapacity. Also they look like they try to target the younger folks. Not sure that's a good idea either. Everyone knows old folks have the dough.


botton dweller
Randle, WA
2131 comments
September 26, 2009 at 6:10 AM
Can't keep records of contracts and , recievables and payouts, and grants.SOUNDS JUST LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT No bid contracts in Iraq, and disappearing money for Katrina Victums. So what is the problem??


flipitover
Seattle, WA
September 26, 2009 at 6:04 AM
"Big payoff eluding troubled tribe"
Maybe somebody forgot to tell them..............
...we're in a RECESSION...!!!!
People (normal people) don't go to blow money in a Casino when they're out of a job or behind on mortgage payments or on unemployment or have reduced weekly hours or are job hunting or are trying to make ends meet.
Just a little free tip for the dipsh*ts at "The Tribe".


poundingsurf
Seattle, WA
September 26, 2009 at 6:02 AM
The ads for the casino all show rich and well dressed couples enjoying the casino life, but when half the local economy is in decline, how can they expect to extract cash from the unemployed? I saw this coming before it opened. How much does it take to support a tribe of 600? I laugh heartily.

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

Security Council wrote:

Mr. Larry Claunch
NB: You will loose all privileges after we get past the delicate matter of leadership change.

We intend to do this with minimum upheavel and then we shall re-visit the decisions made in regard to exclusivity of casino licences.

Be aware all decisions made by this elligal regime, our military junta, will be open to review.

Security Council
Peoples Charter

Bob Lee Swagger said...

THIS WILL BE JUST LIKE THE NUKUDRAU DEVELOPMENT IN VANUALEVU...SO MUCH HYPE, DEFUNCT IN THE END.

Kai Tholo. said...

Notice how non of the bloggers complained (mentioned) about being denied admittance on racial (indigenous)grounds?

Time the Snoqualmie took stock & had a good look at what someone has got them involved in here?

Anonymous said...

THIS VENTURE IS DOOMED TO FAIL!! JUST LIKE VORE'S COUP!!

Anonymous said...

I say put the boots to this man's backside now? The man is definitely a crook and he's eyeing
the FNPF million?If others can get
a no return loan from the FNPF why
not ask for 10 million? So what i'm
saying is that before he start to
negotiate for a no return FNPF loan
grab the bugger and put the boot to
his backside.

Johnathan Smith said...

Fijian's don't earn enough already and to lure them into a casino to WASTE their hard earned money will kill them...Poverty and prostitution will rise, Violence will rise, Stealing and home invasions will get worse...The government will need to spend more money to counter all of these...Common Sense.

I do hope that common sense will prevail for the sake of all Fijians and all who live in this beautiful country.

Don't fix what's not broken...Fiji is beautiful as it is.

This is what people come to see..the untouched Fiji. If people want casino's they can go to Vegas..

Anonymous said...

I smell a rat ;)

Fiji Democrat said...

Seeing how low we have dropped in World Bank ranking to 77 I would like to know where we were in World Bank ranking in 2006 and also in 1986? Tells a lot about Fiji.

Stan said...

will the government also be forcing people to visit and gamble in these casino's...if not then i don't see what the fuss is all about.

We have prostitutes in Fiji but does not mean everyone uses their services...similarly no one is forcing anyone to visit these places.

Complaining just for the sake of complaining is pretty childish.

These casino's will employ so many people...why can't we just be happy with that. let the tourists come and gamble their money.

Kai Tholo. said...

No Stan the regime will not be "forcing people to visit and gamble". It will however be "forcing people" not to enter on the grounds of their racial profile. Suggest you and other like minded people gave a good long think about the implications of this on others rather rhan just thinking about yourselves?

Anonymous said...

stan you want to be in bai's world or what ? you stupid idiot..the people they will employ migth end up be the prostitutes themselves...

Anonymous said...

The only people that will be playing is frank n company/family in a private room...cause its FNPF money who cares if i loose!! if i win take it all to my wife to keep it under our matresssss/safe...

Anonymous said...

Stan you would know since you're a prostitute yourself.

Stan said...

@ kai tholo ...i hzve thought abt it and see no problem with it


and anony 9.12...as if we don't have prostitutes already...you ga are t
he one who is stupid

Bob Lee Swagger said...

KAU MAI NA LEQA ME MAI KURI NI LEQA!!

Anonymous said...

Hey, bring it on,we need something
like a Casino where we can go and
gamble legally! Look we gamble all
the time in Suva, but we have to pay someone to keep an eye out, for
police or anyone coming to the house, during our illegal activities. Thats just not right,to
put that much pressure on us gamblers.Whenever i travel to Vegas
to gamble, its the US that gets my money and not FIJI? Second it will
give the hookers, a clean place to
ply their trades and they'd made
decent rates from their clientele?
It'll be all good-i'm sure?

Anonymous said...

I live a few minutes from the Snoqualmie Casino and disapprove wholeheartedly of investing money in Fiji.

The comments reprinted from Washington newspapers are 100% right on and reflect feelings of most non-tribal members in our community of 3.6 million people.

The Snoqualmie Tribe is a newly recognized and is an infant government led by non-tribal members. There are 1200 enrolled tribal members and they have hired non-tribal self enriching outsiders to lead the tribe in most investments. The current leaders have a history of bad financial investments and management skills.

In April 2011 their current leadership decided to pay one person $14 million dollars to leave the casino and never come back. This same leader decided it was better to sign financial notes for $385 million dollars to build a a casino building worth only $175 million at best.

Finally, these leaders cannot pay their bills on time! The US government gives them free grant money and they fall all over themselves to be current each month!!!

Many of their leaders have palms facing up. Fiji stop the casino!

Anonymous said...

The Snoqualmie Tribe cannot help itself, a promenent expert declares. Please click on this link for the results of her examination into why the Snoqualmie Tribe is ill prepared to invest in Fiji.

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albina N muro said...

American businessman Larry Claunch has yet to reveal how the Denarau and Suva casinos will be run other than to say it will have something like 500 slot machines and 54 gaming tables. playing guide