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Monday, December 5, 2011

Five years on...

DECEMBER 5, 2006: the day a so-called corruption free regime was born. 

And still we wait for the promised Utopia.

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Coup leader Frank Bainimarama announcing to journalists he had overthrown Laisenia Qarase.

Soldiers setting up roadblocks outside Laisenia Qarase's house.


RFMF carrying out the orders of Bainimarama.

Soldiers today allowing themselves to work against the citizens of Fiji.
Moses Driver forced to announce his resignation as Police Commissioner
Bainimarama and the disciples helping to keep corrupt hierarchy in power

71 comments:

Wilson T said...

The good lord set a test for false prophets in that their false predictions would be revealed over time by their rotten fruits. This is especially true of the corrupt Bainimarama.

More recently, the so called “achievements” of the great “Cleanup” was gloated through the dictator’s recent budget address which summed his hypocritical and illegal rule. Bainimarama’s National Budget address was more or less a 20 page diatribe of hastily hashed up points which lacked substance and motivation. It contained the usual and boring dosage of propaganda and white lies associated with attempting to promote his failing dictatorship. Voreqe’s presentation actually reinforced his image as a liar and condescending idiot.

The substance of a speech is usually confirmed by its title which on the other hand sets the tone that identifies the speaker for the audience. The first word in the IMG budget title and as mentioned by Bainimarama is, “Empowered” in relation to Fijians. The word, “empowered” is particularly important to every government because it is synonymous with trusted power sharing relationships between individuals and communities. This is more so in a democratic government because it is the people who empower their representatives through the ballot box and the fruits of productivity which in return is rewarded by good governance that reinforces and promotes the conditions for which individuals can exercise their rights and talents to create a better society.

The characteristics of Empowerment includes the following, or similar, capabilities,
• The ability to freely make decisions about personal/collective circumstances
• The ability to freely access information and resources for decision-making
• Ability to consider a range of options from which to choose (not just being told what to do and what will happen)
• Ability to freely exercise assertiveness in collective decision making
• Having positive-thinking about the ability to freely make change
• Ability to learn and access skills for improving personal/collective circumstance.
• Ability to freely inform others’ perceptions though exchange, education and engagement.
• Involving in the growth process and changes that is never ending and self-initiated
• Increasing one's positive self-image and overcoming stigma
• Increasing one's ability in discreet thinking to sort out right and wrong
Moreover, the above characteristics are enhanced by exercising the basic tenets of good governance such as accountability, transparency and consensus. Anything else is corruption.

The gist of empowering citizens is to share power. Dictators do the opposite by marginalising them. Bainimarama is no different from all the other despots such as Gaddafi of Libya, Saddam of Iraq, Hitler of Nazi Germany, Kim Jong of North Korea, Assad of Syria who are self serving and negatively impact on their societies in the long term.

Marginalisation cannot lend credence to Bainimarama’s other two budget objectives of “Modernise and Strengthen” in terms of the welfare of Fiji and its people. Since 2006, the illegal Bainimarama regime has marginalised every decent citizen and organisation from power sharing and in fact destroyed all institutions and laws which promote the idea of “Empowerment, Modernise and Strength”. In fact the effect of his coup has served to “Marginalise” citizens/Groups, “Degrade” and “Weaken” our society. The damage to the political, social, economic and technological environment in Fiji has been enormous.

Lest we forget our fellow decent citizens who have been marginalised from their employment, leadership roles and in particular who were murdered and tortured in the name of so called, “Empowerment, Modernize and Strengthen”.

Anonymous said...

Shame on you soldiers, shame on the uniform and a disgrace to the proud record set by our fathers who served the RFMF during the war.

These sldiers are regretting their participation in the corrupt Bainimarama's misguided coup.They did not bring prosperity to Fiji or themselves but to Bainimarama and the corupt politicians and businessmen we see today.

Taukei. said...

5 years on expectant Utopia has been substituted by desperate survival - mainly how do key regime perpetrators avoid future criminal prosecution?
With all 3 Confedracies now against them its merely a matter of time...

Radiolucas said...

We could also have a selection of the photos of their roundup of the CEOs, the AG and other politicians to remind the RFMF and the Police of the people and the public that they failed that day.

So after all the bravado, lies and false-promises that Frank and Aiyaz made that day - what have they to show for it today?

Nothing - just the construction of a dictatorship and the subjugation of a nation in the the name of their prosperity. How sad and what a terrible legacy to leave for the Fijian people - they will only be remembered in terms of the wrongs they committed in their own self-centred greed.

Kai Gau said...

These MEN and their WOMEN will ALL go down in the ANNALS of the HISTORY of FIJI as the WORST FIJIANS ever lived.

How they can live with themselves day in and day out is unbelievable, BUT as the saying goes ONE DAY MAFATU! Whatever goes up the GREASY POLE must come DOWN!!!!

mark manning said...

Boces the lot of them !

No Retreat said...

It has been 5 years since the overthrow of the elected government.A news brought to light by Illegal Ag concerning the 2006 elections report by the UN Observers.
Can the report printed in the their illegal newspaper-Fiji sun for the nation to see.
Otherwise it will be another trumped up issue to cover the truth.
We are still counting your illegal leadership days as its expiry date is just around the corner.

SEMI MEO said...

Five years on..are our common folks being progressively desensitized from the supposed ill intent of the Coup by the frequent visits my tauvu the Rear Admiral takes into the very daily affairs of their lives?..a Santa Claus readily available to the common folks 24/7 for the last 1,800 days.. and counting??

For others, Five long years of shouting, fretting and barking by all and sundry while the cement for the longevity of the regime hardens on the backs of us all. We have carried it long enough and effects sure shows on many of us.

Some prayerfully toil on hoping for divine providence, which ever the deity of choice. Yet, some smart tacticians have the habit of enjoying the spoils of Coups. Yet some, oblivious to the fact, live in denial as if it is God’s will for Fiji.

Phew…five years and the hairs of my nostril has finally gone grey and..eh..itchy…seems something is in the air!..something which will work out for good!

Going backwards fast said...

Five years on from the 2006 coup by poorly led dimwitted thugs with guns I remind myself that:
1. Unlike now it was transparent and open how much the PM and AG were being paid
2. The AG under the elected legitimate government was not being paid by a company owned by the AGs AUNT
3. People and the media were free to speak
4. The legitimate government was not dragging people up to the army barracks and beating people to death
5. The rule of law existed
6. I didn't have to put up with coup groupies and parasites who deserve to be chased up a drainpipe and given the same justice they have meted out to innocent unarmed Fijians
The bainimarama coup has done nothing for Fiji except take it backwards. As for engaging with this dictator and his parasites - go tell it to gaddafi or some other totalitarian piece of dog shyte!!

Glorious day said...

Hooray! The day Fiji was saved from the money grabbing, elitist wannabes of the SDL. You lost and you ain't coming back. Ever.

Anonymous said...

Fiji needs to be de-militarised, they hold too much power because of the guns they carry.....

Remove the military NOW!!!!

Anonymous said...

Vakadomobula saraga na sotia........
Vorovaki rau!!!!!!!!
ok... Voreqe, remember..there is no champian in this world.

Anonymous said...

Today I watched interviews in a short documentary from some young people involved in movement to stop mass killings in a country. One of them talked about the residential area across the road from a concentration camp in Germany where the Jews were being killed and since it didnt affect them they did nothing. Another young man said 'for all the atrocities, abuse and human rights violations around the world we cannot pretend it is not happening. We cannot say we love our fellow mankind and then do nothing...for hate is not the opposite of love........ it is indifference". I can see that happening in Fiji.... indifference to what is happening. How can we explain to future generations that we did our best to remove an illegal theiving dictatorship? Five years on and we have allowed this illegal government and obviously mentally limited dictator to lead this country without much resistance.

Anonymous said...

Mark the soldiers face!!!!!!.....Oso vakaji saraga ya...@caption....BAINIMARAMA AND HIS DISCIPLES......Hahahahaha.......

Smell the Coffee said...

Why are we prisoners in the land of our fathers?

Anonymous said...

"Going backwards", if this is all you can come up with after 5 years of "totalitarian" rule, then Bainimarama is hardly the Gaddafi you compare him with.

So he got a pay rise? With all those portfolios, he deserves it. The people who were beaten to death were mutineers who killed others and tried to kill him. What the hell do you expect? So the media has been muzzled. Yes, not ideal. But it's a small price to pay for the stability ordinary people now enjoy and the better deal for everyone in Fiji, not just the SDL and i'taukei elites.

Unfortunately, there's a lot of truth to what "Glorious day" says. Too many SDL people had their snouts in the trough. They call Bainimarama the vuaka but they were bigger pigs any day of the week. Good riddance.

Now hand back power to the people in 2014, Mr Dictator, just like you've promised. Do that and deliver a fairer Fiji and we'll all be grateful. But if you don't and prove the critics right, watch out!

Anonymous said...

Wilson T, like many smart people you can write well. But strip away the fancy words and there's nothing there but self serving BS. Give us one instance of Bainimarama being corrupt. Go on. And I mean hard evidence that he's been lining his own pocket and stealing from the people, not all this crap about pay rises. It's a non event.

Anonymous said...

@ Glorious Day

Glorious Day actually works as a Tea-Boy in the Evil Illegal Corrupt PM's office!!! And he usually polishes Bainivuaka's shoes under the table. He might as well polish his Disco Stick between his legs!!!! That will be a big HOORAY for you 'Glorious Day.'

Bob Lee Swagger said...

5 years on and bainiaiyarse combo haven't achieved anything. Living standard has deteriorated dramatically and the fingerpointing continues. IT'S ALL ABOUT SURVIVAL MODE FOR THEM NOW.

Anonymous said...

frank/ag will f fiji up.
all liars.
no clean up only cover up.
i hate them.
time fiji people to open their eyes and stand up and fight for democracy.
god bless.
rajesh

Joker said...

Glorious idiots cannot see black from white and they love the stench of the Vore's nether region.

The Oracle said...

Our silence over the last five years has been interpreted by the interim government as overwhelming support for it and the changes it is bringing about.
Khaiyum has told his AG Conference that legitimacy will be given to the new electoral system when the majority of the people agree to it as they did with the NCBBF's People's Charter. Ignoring the fact that even John Samy has questioned the so-called 64% support for the People's Charter, Khaiyum has given us an indication on how they intend to implement the new electoral system WITHOUT having to go through Parliament. It's called "general and wide-spread acceptance". And how will the interim government guage this? Not by a referendum but by majority support from consultations on the new Constitution. It doesn't matter if the percentage of suppor is one conjured by Khaiyum and Bainimarama.

May God HELP Fiji because we ordinary Fijians don't have the guts to help outrselves.

The Oracle said...

Our silence over the last five years has been interpreted by the interim government as overwhelming support for it and the changes it is bringing about.
Khaiyum has told his AG Conference that legitimacy will be given to the new electoral system when the majority of the people agree to it as they did with the NCBBF's People's Charter. Ignoring the fact that even John Samy has questioned the so-called 64% support for the People's Charter, Khaiyum has given us an indication on how they intend to implement the new electoral system WITHOUT having to go through Parliament. It's called "general and wide-spread acceptance". And how will the interim government guage this? Not by a referendum but by majority support from consultations on the new Constitution. It doesn't matter if the percentage of suppor is one conjured by Khaiyum and Bainimarama.

May God HELP Fiji because we ordinary Fijians don't have the guts to help outrselves.

Anonymous said...

THE ILLEGAL REGIME ARE ENJOYING THEIR LUCK NOW AND I AM QUITE SURE THAT THEY ARE ALSO ON THE LOOKOUT FOR MISFIRED MISSILES FROM THEIR OWN PEOPLE.
THE NAMOSI COPPER AND BUA BAUXITE WILL SINK TO A LOWER LEVEL AND THE CHINESE WILL GO HOME EMPTY HANDED OR THEY MIGHT WANT TO TAKE BAI AND AIARZS BALLS WITH THEM AS RELICS.

Damaging and desperate said...

Five years on and you can sense the desperation from people here over their failure to get rid of the Baini. That's when they drop all sense of reason and start indulging in obscene abuse. Why has the democracy cause gone nowhere? Because you can't just rant and rave and expect to persuade people. You've got to put your case rationally. Mark Manning, your one liners are pathetic. You're the boce, mister kumala vula. Butt out and we might get somewhere. As it is, people like you have damaged the cause. We need to present a sensible alternative to the regime. Instead, some of you people sound like raving lunatics. And the kind of people who I wouldn't want to run Fiji in a blind fit.

Clan of Ten said...

@ William T
Are trying to convince us that democracy is the best way forward for us.
I totally disagree. There is no such form of governance today that is truly democratic. Today Democracy is only a myth and not a reality. I believe that the system of government we have today is probably the best, because the Ministers do not have to govern under the influence of their respective constituents. We do not need a parliament because those elected to the Parliament are elected through a struggle for power between the Parties that contest the election. This struggle is infact a conflict based on politics or in other words, political conflict.
It is common knowledge that some the past political candidates were good in making false promises to the people, as long as they are elected. Once in Parliament, the electorate are totally forgotten, except for a few who control these Parliamentarians. And these few are usually from the Unuion leaders, Church Leaders and Chiefs. Conversely, it is the few in Parliament, together with the few leaders of the Unions, Church and the Vanua that control the running of the government.
Past experience has proven that Parliamentarians and Ministers elected under constitutional election do not have the freedom to make decision because they are always worried about winning the next election. This is a selfish tendency that is unethical and corrupt, consequently, making the election process, the constitution and the so called democratic process unethical, corrupt and inefficient.
May be this government should lead us for another 5 years because it is ethical, credible and efficient.

May God Bless Fiji.

Clan of Ten

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous 2:05
You looking for evidence of corruption by Bai
Here it is:
$184,000 leave back pay he wasn't entitled to.
-Appointing his daughter as CEO of Sports ( no qualification for that post)
- Appointing brother in law Mr Kean to a government post when he should be in jail for murder ( "double corruption")
- Causing the loss of $100 million loss by FHL because of Sereana Qoro's stupidity and an a host of inappropriate other appointments
- $800 million loss by FSC through people Bai appointed and the Indian Repair job.
-Corruption in the Police Foce via Teleni and Naivalurua
-$500 million loss to FNPF and you are not allowed to ask.
etc etc etc.
Now you can see why you have to pay more for everything in Fiji, because it is now run by an incompetent and corrupt government.

If you think that all this is OK and it is not corruption then you are either blind, stupid or don't have enough brain cells.

-Valataka na Dina.

Anonymous said...

Mark Manning wants to write in Fijian now?????!! There is a diffrence in the word BOCES and BOCIS-yours is a case of needing your CEBOS have a BOCIS shoved up it! We trying to get at a sensible discussion whilst a no school kaivalagi pretends he has the answers. If he was so clever why doesn't he take his half baked ideas to help the Indigenous cause? Is Mark for real or doesn't he understand the reality of whats happening to the Indigenous people of Australia? If the White BOCIS didn't come to Australia they would have been better off Mark or maybe they would not have been but thats open for discussion? What do you reckon BOCES?

KAI VANUA CA.. said...

VOREQE,AIYASS ND LEWENI...DOU YAVU TAMATA ULUKAU,BUTABUTAKO,KOCOKOCO KEI NA LUVENI KAWACA O KEMUDOU KECE

SA LAURAI GA EKERI NOMUDOU TA SIKULU...VULI VAVO...QAVEKEVEKELALA

KEIMAMI NA LUVEI VITI SA OCA MAI NA VAKARARAWATAKI,IO NA KEMUDOU I SAU...SA WAWA TIKO MAI LIU...NA MATE VAKAI GADDAFFI...RUKUNI KALAVETI KECE O KEMUDOU QO...


KAI VANUA CAAAAAA....

Anonymous said...

damaging and desperate - to whom are you going to present a rational alternative? And then - what?

How and where will you gather your listeners so that those with guns and fears will feel safe enough to let you present your rational, regime-changing, society-shifting ideas?

What you say is indeed fair. Angry people seldom make wise choices in the moment of their anger. Yet, to bring your rational options to life you will need to tap the power of that anger in ways that can heal.

Let us read your next move, please.

Anonymous said...

@Clan of Ten
Good on you for not understanding things happening in your back yard.
Please take a pill and go to St Giles.
Maybe you'll learn alot from there.

Anonymous said...

@ The Oracle.

Our silence does not mean that we have nothing to say. We have a lot to say but we cannot say them because we are being silenced.

While the cliche that "silence is golden" is true in many cases, to speak out unbiased truth is a rarity like pure gold in our beloved land and these truths are indeed so invaluable that to bring them out of obscurity should always be imperative in our priorities.

Freedom, truly, is not free to achieve.

Thank you coup 4.5.

Anonymous said...

@ Clan of Ten Boci's

Can you please talk through your mouth. When you talk from the wrong hole all that comes out is shit...!

Anonymous said...

The 2006 coup was the best outcome as it saved all from continuing corrupt pracices of sdl.
Long live Baini.

Anonymous said...

Clan of Hen and others who support Vuaka, shame on you. Open your boci eyes and you might see what's going on. One day you will all be rewarded with a good beating or even a bullet.

Baiya...... said...

5 years has passed

coup is still a coup,
bai is still a dictator and unelected,
PER is still in force,
no new major investment,
no food on the table for many,
pension is reduced
people have no say on national issues,
no outcomes from the so called cleanup campaign,
bai still a no school person and still a thug
all key positions held by the military,
all smart fijians are migrating
all position holders getting sacked at the whim of a few....

.............so what had changed for the better in the last 5 years?

Ratu Borogaga said...

@ Anon Dec 6,2011 8:48 PM

You sound like a disgruntled loser whose party lost the 2006 election. SDL won fair and square! UN, EU & commonwealth observers all gave same report that it was free and fair election. So far no SDL parlimentarian has been jailed for corruption allegation. Frank did that coup to save his sona - end of story! This is a long journey, and THIS WON'T BE THE LAST COUP! Justice will be served accordingly.

Anonymous said...

@ Clan of Ten

Clandestine of Thuggery and Criminals.

Levu ga na i vakamacala ULUKAU, mo donu tu kina............

Joker said...

Anon 8:48 6/12

Pull your head out of your ass and think for a change. Your stupity is an affront to humanity.

True colours revealed said...

"A good beating or a bullet", eh anon @9.38?

Good to see what we've always suspected; that the SDL is no better than the Baini. Except that - thank God - he had the guns.

Who's the real "vuaka" here tau? People like you who pretend to be democrats but a really just ugly, self serving thugs.

Moce vakadua.

Anonymous said...

Amazing that some people are still trying to blame SDL for the coup. That story has long since been well and truly rubbished and repeating it won't make it true. As Ratu Borogaga mentioned, it was a fair elections by external observers. Lets not forget it was a multiparty govt that was running when Vore did his coup to save his own backside and job. If you think Vore is doing a better job than what the multiparty or even the SDL government would have done you have got to have your head examined. Or maybe you're just one of the Franks free riders.

mark manning said...

In late 2006, what, in the minds of Officers and Soldiers of the RFMF, precipitated, that gave them the illusion that there was a necessity yet again, to implement and justify a fourth coup d'etat ?

The Oracle said...

@Clan of Ten...
You need to FULLY UNDERSTAND what you are saying before you say it. Otherwise, it becomes nothing more than "verbal diarrhoea". Your suggestion that we continue under the current circumstance (interim government) over the next five years is absurd.. and you base it on your complaint that elected parliamentarians are beholden to their constituents. If that is a problem, then change the sytem to safeguard against this. But the over-riding point which you deliberately ignore is OUR RIGHT to influence that change through dialogue/debate/consultations etc. We DON'T have that right under the current interim government. And, looking at the future, they've already set in place the direction they want any dialogue/debate/consultations to take. Khaiyum made clear the other day that any talk on ethnic representation in Parliament will not be entertained. He talks about acting within the laws promoted in a Constitution but he's already setting perimeters within which we can operate. And freedom of expression is one component that is enshrined in all creible constitutions. So, how free will the constitution dialogue process be? There are some valid arguments for ethnic representation but we won't know what they are if we're not allowed to discuss them at public meetings on the "new" Constitution. All these obstacles which are being put in front of us only give credence to the argument that the "new Constitution" has either already been written and is being written without input from the general Fiji citizenry. And the consultations will be a mere "rubber stamp".
A large number of people in this country may not be i-Taukei or native landowners but they are TAXPAYERS who fund the operations of the government (and the "goodies" Frank is handing out every time a Province supports him). Those taxpayers need to be able to tell Frank and his cronies what they really think of them. They can't with the current PER in place. Do you even understand what an obstacle the PER is to us -- including YOU?
Frank is doing exactly what you dislike in elected MPs - repaying the rural people for supporting him. And he is using that support to claim "legitimacy" for his interim government. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ANY OF THIS?

Kevaka e sega ni matata vinake vei iko, e vinaka cake more lei vuli tale va lailai - me rawa ni vakararama taka no nomu i rairai vaka tamata. Clan of Ten - Yavusa Tini? Matagali Boci!!!!

Joker said...

The clan of cekes are nothing more than idiots trying to sound smart; morons who support the dictator that feeds them; useless individuals who cannot find employment apart from the military.

Anonymous said...

Another three years to go.......


...what if they don't go?

Who's going to make them?

Maybe only the faces will change...$700,000.00 is a very juicy salary.

Tei Vovo, Tei Vovo

mark manning said...

@ anon 221 p.m.
Have you ever thought my friend, despite my incorrect spelling of Fijian words, that my views on Australia's Aboriginal population, might not be too dissimilar to your own ?
And if that is the case, then in that perhaps, we may have something in common.
But when it comes to this coup in Fiji, has anyone wondered just why so many Officers were sacked or resigned, because their views on Frank's impending coup was that it was an act of High Treason, to the extent that as early as December 2003, many of Frank's Officers tried to warn him, not to implement the coup because it was illegal and High Treason.
Even discussing taking over a Legitimate Government, is considered Sedition, and I can't comprehend why Frank wasn't arrested by Military Police in December 2003, except to say that perhaps many were either fooled by Frank's arguments at the time or that many wanted to get on the band wagon for their own self interests.

Everyone knows the real reason behind Frank Bainimarama's actions of December the 5th. 2006 and they were to evade arrest and possible prison time for his part in the murders of the CRW Soldiers of 2000.

Sadly, soon, many more will be going with Frank Bainimarama to Naboro, as his accomplices.

mark manning said...

I am of the understanding that it is some relatives of some Indian Germits who came later to Fiji, who were and remain dissatisfied with the way things were in Fiji, prior to 2006.

Anonymous said...

Bainimarama has spoiled the future of a lot of our good soldiers. These were either sacked or resigned as they they felt that what Bainimarama was doing was wrong. Even Ratu Tevita Mara escaped. So, to me he was someone who saw what was happening and could no longer take part in it.

But what about the soldiers who are still supporting him now?
Their excuse that they are just doing their job is rubbish.

It's interesting that Bainimarama, with his big mouth, promised them that he was going to clean up corruption.
Poor stupid soldiers! They fell for it , hook line and sinker. ( so did a lot of Intelectuals and Priests , I might add) .
Anyway here we are FIVE years later, many have seen the light and left Bainimarama but for some reason the soldiers still support him.
Why????
I think there is only one reason : MONEY.
Bainimarama has shut their mouth with MONEY
He has made them ignore their Conscience because of MONEY.

He promised Dina Dodonu kei na Savasava but now 5 years later there is more corruption than ever.

How come the Fijian soldiers can't see this?

Are they really that stupid?

It's like watching your wife have sexual affairs with other men, but you tolerate it because those men are paying money to your wife and it has paid for your bread and tea, paid for your car and also your house etc.
Any Fijian soldier still supporting Bainimarama, this above picture is you.

What a sad and pathetic life?

-Valataka na Dina.

A Girmit responds said...

Mark, you really are a twat. What on earth does that last statement of yours mean, for God's sake?

"It is some relatives of some Indian Germits (sic -you seem to have a big problem with local spelling, sonny Jim ) who came later to Fiji, who were and remain dissatisfied with the way things were in Fiji, prior to 2006".

I've read and re-read this and still can't figure out what it means. Were you on the turps tonight? Or have they been giving you one too many shifts at the hospital? Whatever the truth, you're becoming more and more illogical as time passes. Oh and take my tip. If you want to use local names at least find out how they're spelt. You're a boci not a boce and I'm certainly not a Germit.

The Oracle said...

@Mark Manning...

Fiji's Girmit period was when Indian nationals were shipped to Fiji, either willingly or unwillingly to labour in the cane fields.
Other Indo-Fijians who came to Fiji later, as you suggest, came of their own free will. They were not Girmityas. LET'S NOT CONFUSE THE TWO.
We also have our brothers and sisters of PNG, Vanuatu and Solomon Islands descent who were also "shipped" to Fiji under similar "Girmit" conditions or under "black-birding" conditions.

Your attempt to keep blaming the coup on the dissatisfaction of our Indo-Fijian population is pathetic as it stokes the racial fire.
The reality is that Qarase's government was taking Fiji in the direction of racial upheaval. They needed to be stopped in their tracks and many in Fiji, including our Indo-Fijian brothers and sisters recognised this. We also recognised that there was a need to generate sufficient public outcry (including from NGOs) to have Qarase remove some of his "nationalistic" policies. Frank Bainimarama, in his hour of need to avoid arrest and prosecution for sedition, fed on this "need to exorcise Fiji of Qarase" to carry out his coup and he was successful in "roping in" some Indo-Fijians and members of political parties which had failed badly in the 2006 elections (Bole and Ganilau's party are fine examples). Despite their "bravado" in being appointed, most of these early Bainimarama's-coup supporters were discarded by Frank as they had served the purpose for which he had put them to use.
I think it's important that in all our contributions on what has transpired since 2006 that we consider the root causes of each of the coups we've had and look at implementing remedies that will eliminate the so-called "coup culture".
We all need to recognise that democracy, adapted to our own local need, can work for us without the need for coups to remove elected governments.
Maybe we should consider provision in any "new" Constitution for a certain percenatage of the population to "petition" the President to remove an elected government. That petition should then be followed by a national referendum upon which the President then has "authority" to "succumb" to the people's wishes.
To give legitimacy to the Presidency, it should also be open to election by the people rather than by nomination from the Great Council of Chiefs. And, in keeping with our multi-racial/multi-cultural society, the Presidency should be open to any Fiji citizen of public renown rather than be reserved for i-Taukei rotated on provincial lines.

Constitutions should be "living" documents. They should be open to change to accommodate the will of the people. They should also be the avenue through which we remove a government.

Coups not only do irreparable damage to our economy, they also divide the nation and families.

QEB Snitch said...

Clan of Ten Fingers; five each for boci and sona

who arrr u trying to educate about democracy. u don't even deserve the mention of the word. u arrr not even deserving of the therme and principle of the Animal Farm.

u arrr the myth because after u and your gang of wannabees have disappeared into oblivion, democracy lives on.

False promises by MPs; what false promises because this mentality shows that u really do not know and have no respect for how the government system works

O iko Yavusa Tini na I Qaqalo e yaga ga e na taba teveli

Bob Lee Swagger said...

Vinaka Valataka na Dina. Hit the nail on the head!

Anonymous said...

@Oracle - usually agree with your comments but don't agree that there was a reality that Qarase was taking Fiji in the direction of racial upheavel. If he was doing that why would he have invited the Labour party to form a multiparty government. Also why would he give in to demands that the Finance portfolio be given to Chaudhary and even went as far as to offer him deputy PM? That doesn't sound like a racist to me. As for his policies, those were the policies that he ran on, return of unused native land and return of qoliqoli. It would have been dishonest if he didn't at least try and implement them. And it would have been better for Labour to better shape those policies as part of government as some of them tried to do rather than behave like a petulant child like Mahen Chaudary who although part of the multipary govt also wanted to be opposition leader. Do agree that Vore was just looking for an excuse to save his hide with a coup and unfortunately people with your line of reasoning seem to have given him that opportunity and support.

Anonymous said...

Banana man is a lying corrupt Narcissist, is the Devil of Fiji, and is going straight to Hell when he Dies.

Radiolucas said...

@ Anon 10:19am

"unfortunately people with your line of reasoning seem to have given him that opportunity and support."

Well said - so many people seem to have believed Frank's bullshit from the start - then realised later what Frank really intended. But by then, too little, too late.

The Oracle said...

@Anon 10:19..

Welcome back. Your obvious defence of Qarase to the point of devotion is understandable (at least to me). However, let's get real. Qarase's first offer of multi-party government to the Fiji Labour Party was pathetic, non-genuine and childish to say the least. He offered Cabinet positions that were totally meaningless. You MUST realise that and if you have selective memory, then go back and refresh yourself by reading the newspaper reports.
Any attempt afterwards, to try and make amends by offering Chaudhry the Finance and Deputy PM portfolios was merely a face-saving exercise .. and followed a Court ruling which called Qarase's bluff (REMEMBER?). I'm tempted to think that Qarase acted on the advice of people like you. (I do agree with you, however that Chaudhry wanted a hand in both pies - multiparty govt and Opposition Leader).

As for Qarase following up on issues from his election platform - he was well within his rights to do so. However, the racist comments (by other SDL MPs) which accompanied the relevant debates in Parliament did nothing to endear the rest of Fiji to his efforts. And Qarase MADE NO EFFORT, as SDL leader, to rein in those of his people who were fuelling the "nationalist" fire under the protection of Parliamentary Privilege.

Qarase may have been a good bank manager, although I can't vouch for that. However, he was never, in my opinion, a good national leader and if you take your SDL blinkers off you'll not only realise that but also realise that Qarase was himself, through his lack of leadership skills, responsible for handing Frank Bainimarama, the excuse he needed for his coup.

My line of reasoning?... Hansard and media reports lend greater credibility to my line of reasoning than they do to your constant defence of Qarase/SDL.

If we are to progress as a nation, then it has to be WITHOUT the SDL. I'm sorry if that means you take a blow to your political ambitions/career .. but that's the reality of the situation as I see it - albeit with my lop-sided "reasoning".

Kenneth Zinck said...

Even if Frank did not like our Government at the time five years ago the only way to remove us legally was through an election via the ballot paper, NOT A GUN. The whole world and the international community knows that Frank, Nailatikau, Gates, Shameems, Khaiyums, Keans Ricketts, etc etc all are GUILTY of TREASON. All Frank's excuses of removing government has come to ZERO, ZILCH, NOTHING AT ALL. Five years down the line all we have is an oppressed society, a bankrupt nation, a thieving pack of leaders paying themselves secret amounts of money via a scrupulous accountant firm led by an aunt of the AG, loans galore from China up to one billion dollars now(not knowing how we going to pay the darn loan back), an illegal govt that appoints relatives to govt positions with no qualifications giving rise to NEPOTISM at its worst, unprecedented number of contracts awarded by Frank and Khaiyum without proper transparent procedures followed by govt eg car deal with Asco Motors, guitar deal with American company, mahogany deal with overseas companies etc etc etc all without proper due diligence followed, prior to being awarded, which gives rise to another bigger issue of BRIBERY accepted by Bainimarama and Khaiyum and all their cronies. What a government! God help Fiji. This ROT must STOP NOW. We cannot afford to carry on with these CORRUPT leaders now. They need to be charged for TREASON and thrown in jail NOW. Kenneth Zinck

Kenneth Zinck said...

Even if Frank did not like our Government at the time five years ago the only way to remove us legally was through an election via the ballot paper, NOT A GUN. The whole world and the international community knows that Frank, Nailatikau, Gates, Shameems, Khaiyums, Keans Ricketts, etc etc all are GUILTY of TREASON. All Frank's excuses of removing government has come to ZERO, ZILCH, NOTHING AT ALL. Five years down the line all we have is an oppressed society, a bankrupt nation, a thieving pack of leaders paying themselves secret amounts of money via a scrupulous accountant firm led by an aunt of the AG, loans galore from China up to one billion dollars now(not knowing how we going to pay the darn loan back), an illegal govt that appoints relatives to govt positions with no qualifications giving rise to NEPOTISM at its worst, unprecedented number of contracts awarded by Frank and Khaiyum without proper transparent procedures followed by govt eg car deal with Asco Motors, guitar deal with American company, mahogany deal with overseas companies etc etc etc all without proper due diligence followed, prior to being awarded, which gives rise to another bigger issue of BRIBERY accepted by Bainimarama and Khaiyum and all their cronies. What a government! God help Fiji. This ROT must STOP NOW. We cannot afford to carry on with these CORRUPT leaders now. They need to be charged for TREASON and thrown in jail NOW. Kenneth Zinck

Anonymous said...

if we are to add up all the wrong done by Bainimarama. It would fill up a whole book. Just check this out. He complained that the last govt. were traveling too much overseas.. okay.. now you count how many travels VB had done abroad.. now don,t forget to add the cost. Bpci ga na boci

Zinckout said...

Kenneth, do us all a favour and take your medication. You go on about treason. You were part of a government that created second class citizens of half the country. To top it all, you ran off to Australia four years later screaming about having been tortured and left the rest of us to it. Torture is listening to you raving on, bro. Yes, we want democracy. But we don't want you or the other viavialevu in the SDL. Enjoy Brisbane because that's where you belong. You cut and run, you lamu sona, when you could have stayed and fought. Even "Lie" Qarase has more spine than you. We won't forget. And that's a promise.

Annie said...

At Anon 1.58

I completely agree with you.

I also agree that the government has done quite a lot for Fiji, perhaps no other government has made so many positive changes which has changed numerous lives but on the other hand we should not forget that it also has taken some lives

MK said...

Zinckout

Adam's Apple said...

We do not need threats, Zinckout. All will be judgded, including you and I.

SEMI MEO said...

Oh..is this the same Mr. Kenneth Zinck, former Fiji Unionist, former Minister, former FRU campaigner, now in our neck of the woods?..or just a clown using the former Ministers’ name as a pseudonym??

Anonymous said...

Zinkout you sound very much like a baini-branch member, if anything you should be ashamed of supporting the pig's regime, oh wait your uncle doesn't eat pork so you must be 1 hellava STUPID COW

The Oracle said...

@Kenneth....

Very easy for you to talk from afar. You ditched your kailoma/islanders support when you went to bed with Qarase's SDL, despite pleas to you to hold off and negotiate.
You thought of yourself then as you're thinking of yourself now.
The problem with people like you is that you're an attention seeker with no loyalty to anyone but yourself and your boasts about your sexual prowess while in Parliament have not endeared you to your supporters/friends .. in fact you lost quite a few friends and that's why you came in last in the horse race for the General Communal seat. You're a wannabe JF Kennedy replica .. a Wham, Bam, Thank You Ma'am kind of politician. While he's dead, you're in the same position - politics-wise.

Either come back home and lead the charge for a return to democracy or else find some meaningful emplopyment and make Australia your new home. If they grant you asylum status then they deserve you.

Anonymous said...

This is what Bainimarama has brought to Fiji: wealth for himself

Fijian children terrorised on Mary Bainimarama’s orders



Fresh revelations from Fiji today regarding the incident at a local Chinese school called Yat Sen School in Suva where dictator Frank Bainimarama’s teenager grand-daughter is a student.

A few weeks ago, freedom fighter blog Coup 4.5 reported a story regarding Frank’s grand-daughter’s missing I-Pod that created havoc at the school.

We can again confirm that it was Mary , Frank’s wife who actually called the Fiji Police to dispatch an investigating team to the school to catch the student thieves after her grand-daughter complained about her missing I-Pod.

We have now established that ten children from Yat Sen were detained and interrogated at Raiwaqa Police Station without their parents knowledge.

Leaks from Fiji Police indicate Mary insisted the children to be taken to the Police Station, body searched and interrogated with the hope of finding her grand-daughter’s I-Pod.

Insiders say the children were questioned for about 6 hours without the presence of their parents or legal guardians.

And to make matters worse, these terrorised children and their parents later found out that Mary and her grand-daughter found the “missing” I-Pod at home.

We expect a new decree from Aiyaz stopping any civilian from taking Fiji’s illegal 1st family to court. -Raw Fiji News

Taukei. said...

@ Kenneth Zinc.

Trues up - said before but worth repeating - you know your hitting nerves when they resort to personel attacks. Once has these simmering thoughts about Qarase - was he this - was he that - would he - could he - go the distance?
Find it revealing that at no stage during all this has he ever said "you can all getlost - I'm outah here - going overseas to take up a position as a poorly paid international merchant banker".

Taukei 5. said...

Why don'some of you people pull your heads out of your arses and ask any of the following about Vore and his henchmen?

Iowane Waseroma.
Epeneri Bainimolo.
Jone Davui.
Selesitino Kalounivale.
Lagani Rokowaqa.

QEB Snitch said...

Taukei 5

Yes, it's been 11 years since their untimely passing on at the hands of murderers in Fiji military uniforms.

Though they have gone, we should not forget the names of these victims of cowardly acts; let us continue to remember Iowane Waseroma, Epeneri Bainimolo, Jone Davui, Selesitino Kalounivale and Lagani Rokowaqa.

Let us pray for their immediate families more so their wives and children. I pray with GOD's intercession that they are not in hardships.

LET US ALSO PRAY FOR THEIR KILLERS FROM BAINIMARAMA AND HIS HENCHMEN WHO GAVE THE ORDERS, TO THE TORTURERS, MURDERERS AND THOSE WHO HAD HELPED...THAT THEY WILL NEVER REST; REMAIN RESTLESS WITH THESE DEATHS IN THEIR MINDS AND MEMORIES, TO HAUNT THEM MENTALLY AND PSYCHOLOGICALLY TILL THEIR LAST BREATH.

Anonymous said...

@ QEB snitch, don't pray for the wrong things. Rest assured that the fallen soldiers will never be forgotten and their deaths will not be in vain. I pray for their souls, both CRW and FMF loyal, and tortured civilian victims every single time when I pray for the souls of my loved ones.