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Sunday, March 4, 2012

Bainimarama's bloodstained history catches him up

Tortured until unconscious: above and below
We publish below excerpts of the interview Frank Bainimarama gave on his 55th birthday to Graham Davis for SkyNews Australia. The video was uploaded on 2 May 2009, and the recent photos of those CRW soldiers, who tried to kill the dictator for betraying them after having persuaded them to overthrow the Mahendra Chaudhry government in May 2000, makes the dictator a murderer in the books of international crinimal law.

Tortured to death: above and below
Davis: You were nearly killed? How close save was it?
Bainimarama: Very close. We were here having lunch when the rebel soldiers came across – and three of my bodyguards then closed in and helped my escape – they held the fort here while I moved away from here.
Davis: You wanted to kill Captain Shane Stevens? Is that true that you wanted to shoot him yourself personally?
Bainimarama:  No, that’s not true that I wanted to shoot him personally– In fact, I was in hospital when he was brought in. I went to visit some of my soldiers that got shot that day. And I stopped the guys from going in to bring him out. I saved the life of one of the guys that eventually got killed...He was brought down to the naval base.

Davis: When you say you saved his life? When you say you saved the life of the man....You stopped them from killing him?
Bainimarama:  Initially.  I didn’t stop them from killing him. I stopped them from bashing him up.
Davis: But they killed him later?
Bainimarama:  Sometime later on.
Davis: They were beaten to death, won’t they?
Bainimarama:  They were beaten to death. It was spur of the moment.  And  I can understand the emotions that went through the troops on that day. In fact, I can say that they were very lucky that they all lived.
Davis: Did you want them dead?
Bainimarama:  I didn’t want them dead but I wanted them punished – You must understand it was a mutiny. These guys came in to kill us – I don’t think a lot of people understand that? These guys came in to kill us. So people really don’t expect us to kiss them on their cheeks.

By Rory Callihan
Time magazine
Sunday Dec 6 2006
For months before he appointed himself President and put Fiji's elected leaders under house arrest, military commander Frank Bainimarama had been threatening to stage a coup unless Laisenia Qarase's government abandoned plans to pardon those behind the abortive coup and mutiny of 2000. But some in Fiji say Bainimarama, who during the mutiny narrowly escaped assassination by rebel troops, has another motive: ending a police probe into the killings of four soldiers from the mutinous special-forces unit.

"It's cold-blooded murder," says Ana Kalounivale, "and that's what Bainimarama is running away from." The 37-year-old widow says Bainimarama must bear some responsibility for the bashing deaths of her husband and three other special-forces soldiers. If he did not order or know about the killings at the time, she believes, then he failed to properly investigate them afterward. "Now we don't know if we will ever have justice," says the mother of four.

The commander has repeatedly denied any responsibility for the deaths of Selesitano Kalounivale, Jone Davui, Epineri Bainimoli and Lagani Rokowaqa. "I never gave any orders to kill," he said in 2003. However, in the weeks before the coup Bainimarama was under increasing pressure over the murders. Police probes and court actions by victims' families and surviving soldiers could have seen him suspended, forced to give evidence about the killings, and potentially facing charges and a six-figure compensation claim against the Fiji Military Force.

During the mutiny by members of the elite Counter-Revolutionary Warfare unit, three loyalist soldiers were shot and—in an experience which some officers say has haunted him ever since—Bainimarama was hunted by armed rebels through a jungle-choked valley behind Suva's Queen Elizabeth Barracks. After the barracks were retaken, loyalists rounded up CRW soldiers regardless of whether they had taken part in the mutiny. Selesitino and the other soldiers allegedly fell victim to a violent paroxysm of revenge.

Among Bainimarama's increasingly peremptory demands to the Qarase government were the shutting down of the police investigation into the murders and the removal of Fiji's Police Commissioner, Andrew Hughes. The day after the coup, Dec. 7, Bainimarama sacked Hughes, who had already left the country after death threats to his family, and appointed Army intelligence chief Jim Koroi as acting Police Commissioner. Next day his soldiers took in for questioning six former CRW soldiers, alleging that they could foment civil unrest.

In the past year, Bainimarama and the military had been fighting four separate legal actions. Three were lodged by former CRW soldiers who survived beatings in 2000. The fourth was a compensation claim by Ana Kalounivale, who successfully sued the Commander and the government for worker's compensation over her husband's death but has yet to receive any money.

In a hearing last April, the court was told that after he was first picked up, Selesitino had a 30-minute meeting with Bainimarama and was then taken to the local police station on the Commander's orders. He was later taken from the station by four or five soldiers. 

Acquaintances of his told the court they were working in a building next door to the police station when soldiers arrived with Selesitino. They said they heard him crying out for help as he was driven away in a military vehicle. According to the judgment of Magistrate Ajmal Gulab Khan, "He was on the floor of the van and bystanders could hear swearing, hitting with rifle butts and kicking at the back of the tray." Around midnight, his hideously injured body was delivered to the morgue.

Magistrate Khan found that "the assaulting soldiers may have exceeded in the scope of their duty by assaulting the deceased, but they acted as soldiers of FMF and were responsible for their actions in the general scope of their duties." He awarded Ana Kalounivale $24,000, but she says the military is appealing the judgment.

The FMF has never explained where the soldiers took Selesitino or why he was singled out. But documents lodged in support of civil lawsuits by the three CRW soldiers who survived beatings give a chilling insight into what might have happened. The soldiers "seized me at gunpoint and handcuffed my hands behind my back," said Sergeant Viliame Lotawa of the night he was taken from the police station. "I was punched, kicked and beaten with blunt objects such as rifle butts and iron rods. I was beaten all the way to [Queen Elizabeth Barracks]." Lotawa says his attackers included a former Fijian rugby international, Sergeant Jack Komaitai. Komaitai told Time last week there was no truth to the allegation. Another survivor, Metuisela Railumu, told the court he was taken by soldiers to a shooting range and "beaten with wood and iron rods all over my body." The case of the third survivor, Barbados Mills, is due to go to trial early in 2007.

All three suits include Bainimarama as a defendant, charging that as military commander he was responsible for the actions of his troops. Police have interviewed 12 soldiers about the bashings, but the military has reportedly insisted that a senior officer attend all interviews; in at least one case, the officer prematurely terminated the interview. When Time put Lotawa's allegations to Bainimarama's spokesman, Major Neumi Leweni, he said, "Who told you that?" He has since refused to speak to the magazine.

Police have told Time the military conducted its own investigation, under the supervision of then officer Jack Koroi, Bainimarama's hand-picked new acting Police Commissioner. None of the alleged perpetrators named by Lotawa and his fellow survivors has faced any military trial or disciplinary hearing. Police are unhappy about Koroi's appointment. Says one officer, who asked to remain anonymous: "Koroi knows what to look for in the files. He's a former Criminal Investigations Department officer and he was the point of contact up at the barracks for people wanting to interview soldiers in the past." Contacted by Time last week, Koroi said of the police investigation, "[The suspects in the bashings] have all been questioned but they have decided to stay mute. There is a lot of difficulties with this. I have to see the file before I comment." 

Since leaving Fiji, sacked Police Commissioner Hughes, an Australian, has said one reason for the coup was self-preservation on Bainimarama's part. "He's been resistant to the investigation into the murder of the Counter-Revolutionary Warfare soldiers in 2000," Hughes told ABC News. "We believe he has some questions to answer in that regard himself." Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer shares Hughes' view. "I think, in particular, Commodore Bainimarama is deeply concerned about investigations by the police into the Fiji military itself," he told ABC Radio.

A senior Fiji police officer tells Time he and his colleagues have new evidence suggesting some of the "top [military] brass ordered the actions." Now, he says, they are bracing for the day when soldiers march in and remove their files. But "We've got copies," he says. "We won't give up." Ana Kalounivale may get justice yet.

Skeletons in the close


Anonymous said...

Listen up guys. What on earth do you expect to happen when rebel soldiers kill totally innocent troops and then try to kill their commander? Seriously. The back story of all of this is beside the point. The fact is these guys staged a mutiny and lost. They were then beaten to death for having killed some of their fellow troops. Extrajudicial killings? Yes. But in the heat of battle, totally understandable. Regrettable but understandable.
Why? Because at that stage, no-one knew how far the conspiracy went. It was blind panic and rage. Lesson? Don't stage a mutiny if you can't kill everyone first. If history had taken a different course, we'd be reading stories now about how Shane Stevens and these dead guys were brutal arseholes who'd killed Bainimarama. To the victor, the spoils. Think about it.

mark manning said...

Frank Bainimarama is a coward and gets others to do what he is incapable of and too scared and frightened to do himself.
He is an opportunist and narcissistic sadist, hell bent on becoming the Supreme Leader of Fiji, at any cost it seems.
On the matter of retribution against the CRW Soldiers for the 2000 mutiny and killing of fellow Soldiers at the Barracks etc. yes, most acknowledge that emotions were running high, but a "Real Leader" would demand Justice and seek this through the Rule of Law.
In the end, a totally innocent man was murdered by a group of fellow Soldiers who, like the CRW Soldiers, had chosen wilfully, to take the Law into their own hands.
"Torture and summary execution" were neither their prerogative, nor Frank Bainimarama's and in fact as Commander of the Military, it was Frank Bainimarama who should have stopped those atrocities, Human Rights violations, tortures and subsequent murders.
It was said once in reply in the Fiji times Online, that it was a time of war and as such, those tortures and murders were justified !
Yet even in a war, there are Laws prohibiting revenge attacks, torture and murder against ones enemy.
There is, no justification for torture and murder, in any circumstance.
If there were, then it is Frank Bainimarama and his colleagues and supporters who now should be looking over their shoulders.
I can only assume that the actions against the CRW Soldiers in 2000 under Frank Bainimarama's Command, were what Fijians refer to, as "the Pacific Way".
If that is the case, then God help us.

Anonymous said...

One of the occassions I would have to agree with MM. Unfortunately, people are choosing to remain in denial. Judging from the response on your Facebook page C4.5, and the fact a picture was removed shows most of Fiji do not want to know the truth of what happened in 2006. Like ostriches they are using lame excuses to control the debate. Why on earth would children be doing on a C4.5 FB??? I'm also sure that the families of these poor men men would not mind the publicity if it brigns justice. Sadly, the naive people of Fiji can't even be honest about this. It's been said before and will be again: we have the government we deserve.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:04pm

That is a Simple logic. An Eye for an eye. That moment of truth happened for the IRA in 1920.

Fourteen men, a mixture of British Army officers, Royal Irish Constabulary officers and civilians, were assassinated on the morning of 21 November 1920 by the IRA in a planned series of simultaneous early-morning strikes engineered by Michael Collins. There were somewhere between 60 and 100 British intelligence agents trained in London in a unit run by Major C A Cameron, and sent under cover singlely to Ireland. The number targeted by Collins that morning is not known. Supposedly a list of 35 targets was drawn up, pared down by Brugha and/or Collins to around 20. A letter from Collins to Mulcahy confirms that the list was augmented by Dublin Brigade of the IRA, to an unknown number.

The IRA groups met on the evening of 20 November 1920, and were timed to move so that all the killings would be simultaneously taking place at 9am exactly on the following morning. Around 15 hit squads (nobody now knows the exact number), each with around 15 men, arrived at their target addresses. They appear to have about 2 men targeted at each address, so around 30 men were targeted that morning. Why so vague? Well the failures when the targets were not at home, are not mentioned in history. Neither do the addresses where the wrong men were shot attract many candidates for the hit squads.

In the end nineteen men were shot. Fourteen were killed on 21 November, Montgomery died later making fifteen in all. Four more were wounded. 9 of the dead were in their pyjamas.

Ames, Angliss, Baggallay, Bennett, Dowling, Fitzgerald, MacCormack, MacLean, Montgomery, Newberry, Price, Wilde, Smith, Morris, Garniss were killed. Keenlyside, Woodcock, Murray and Caldow were wounded. Peel amongst others escaped. The dead included British Intelligence officers, British Army Courts-Martial officers, the two Auxiliaries, an RIC officer, and a number of soldiers in the wrong place at the wrong time and and 2 civilians.

Jovesa said...

War is a terrible thing. MM "pacific way" really?? Google innocents killed in Iraq. The amount of children under 12yrs traumatized, maimed and killed in Iraq equates to tens if not hundreds of thousands, pacific way????? What planet do you frikin live on??? Has the commander of the Aussie forces been to trial? Bush? Have you honestly never seen the infamous video of the young girl from Vietnam running on fire from a napalm drop? War is a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE thing.

Taukei 5. said...

@ Anon 1:04.

"Think about it"?

We have & will & its time people such as you did the same?

Torture & murder of anybody least of all fellow bati never has & never will be part of RFMF.
What you call "spoils" - others call "justice".

Selesitino Kalounivale.
Epeneri Bainimolo.
Jone Davui.
Lagani Rokowaqa.
Iowane Waseroma.

Anonymous said...

'Command responsibility' has been firmly established as a doctrine in international law since 'In Re Yamashita'. As commander at the time, Bainimarama shares responsibility for the actions committed by his troops.

Unlawful actions are not to be confused with collateral damage. As terrible as it is, collateral damage is not deliberate or criminal and is sometimes unavoidable. The Americans killed innocents in Vietnam and Iraq, but in most cases it was inadvertent, and where it wasn't, it was prosecuted by the U.S. government. The Americans also liberated Iraq from Saddam Hussein and saved Fiji from being overrun by the Japanese in WWII.

The CRW members held by Bainimarama's men were unarmed combatants. It was Bainimarama's responsibility as commander to protect them. For Fijians now to rely on such a man for their own protection is the height of folly.

Anonymous said...

It is not a wonder that VB is drinking very heavily. We have seen photos of this bad habit too.

There is no peace in himself. How can he have any peace with God?

Anonymous said...

Bainimarama said "I never gave any orders to kill".
You must be innocent then.
If you are innocent then why were you afraid of the police investigations?????
Typical Bainimarama, always blaming others. Blaming his junior officers. Always lying. Can never be a man and face up to the truth.
Why would anyone ever want to be a soldier under him?
Speaks volume of those that follow him. All snivelling bunch of lowlifes.

Anonymous said...

Ratu Tui Bai,


I stopped them from being eaten, and now I get no thank you.

Taukei 5. said...

One thing Vore can never deny.

"It happened on his watch".

Anonymous said...

And I hope Ana receives her justice, just as the relatives of loyal solders killed by the CRW soldiers should also receive justice.

Anonymous said...

Mark Manning, FB isn't intent on becoming Fiji's supreme leader. He IS Fiji's supreme leader. Get used to it because come 2014, he'll be the elected leader. That's right. Chosen democratically by the people of Fiji. What on earth are you going to do then?

Anonymous said...

Lt Col RU who assisted Col JB in the 2 November QEB defence from CRW that resulted in the killing of the CRW murders. Franks hand was and is still clean . DFFM should ask Col JB and Lt Col RU for the blood in their hands. Also Lt Col RU commanded the dawn raid at Kalabu. People in glass houses should be cautious when throwing stones.

Anonymous said...

Fact is the mutiny was over and these guys were systematically removed from custody by the rFMF and beaten to death one after the other, so there was no heat of battle, this was premeditated and organised....it will all come out now...the leaks are springing.

Anonymous said...

Fiji’s treasonous Chief Magistrate terminated by junta

with one comment

We say – well, well, well …. what have you got to say now Ajmal? Very short-lived sense of security by Frank & Co. aye! You reap what you sow bro. You made your own choice to go to bed with the tyrants, now they’ve screwed you up so bad with a tattered reputation, travel bans, and you’ve also just killed your career.

Ajmal Gulab Khan has been terminated as the Chief Magistrate by the President Ratu Josefa Iloilo.

When contacted by Fijivillage News, Khan confirmed that he was issued a termination letter from the President’s Office on Wednesday afternoon. He refused to comment any further on the matter.

Khan was also the Central Liquor Tribunal, Chairman of the Copy Right Tribunal, he was the Court of Review, VAT Tribunal and Central Agriculture Tribunal.

The Attorney General Aiyaz Sayed Khiayum, Chief Justice Anthony Gates and Acting Chief Registrar Ana Rokomokoti all said that the appointing body is the President and they will not comment on Khan’s termination.

However, Permanent Secretary at the President’s Office Rupeni Nacewa also refused to comment on the reason why Khan has been terminated.

Khan was appointed to the post of Chief Magistrate following the abrogation of the 1997 constitution by President Iloilo on April 10th.


Anonymous said...

Fijians are well known for all talk no actions.So it took a Rotuman with plenty of balls to try and kill Bainilamosona

LOGGIE said...

A question to the COMD RFMF ,Suliano (RFMF CSO),Tikoitoga (COMD Landforce),Qiliho(Boci)where was what we call LOAC during this time. Youre time will come to answer,for the 'blood that is crying'just as Abel's blood from the ground to the LORD.Genesis Chapter 3.

Dalit said...

Anon 1.04 pm

You listen up you dopy; war and murder are two different things.

I am sorry though the CRW did not terminate the vermin Voreqe for deserves to die for double crossing them and misleading the nation as a whole.

Luveni kabuwacara use your head and not your as.

Anonymous said...

The fact of the matter is that VB and his hit squad have taken the law into their hands and that is WRONG! The police are the custodian of the law and it is their duty to arrest and bring people before the Court. The problem in Fiji is Frankie thinks he is the law. Madraiwiwi had explained his role to him and even Col Caucau his legal adviser but he refused to listen. Unfortunately, he has dug himself a big hole that is now becoming his grave. He knows that his young inexperience hit squad of Komaitai, Rokouwa,Rabuka,etc, are also sharing this pain. Blood is on their hands and they are scared of their own shadows. One foot under is probably the best bunker in this day and age. It is unavoidable and they know it. Justice will win! Dui seva ga na bua ka a tea!

Jovesa said...

One of many thousands of incidents...
There was Rekha. The gentleman was driving a stolen work utility van. He didn't stop. With us being trigger happy, we didn't really give this guy much of a chance. We lit him up pretty good. Then we inspected the back of the van. We found nothing. No explosives.

Paul Rockwell: The reports said the cars were loaded with explosives. In all the incidents did you find that to be the case?

Sgt. Massey: Never. Not once. There were no secondary explosions. As a matter of fact, we lit up a rally.

Paul Rockwell: A demonstration? Where?

Sgt. Massey: On the outskirts of Baghdad. Near a military compound. There were demonstrators at the end of the street. They were young and they had no weapons. And when we rolled onto the scene, there was already a tank that was parked on the side of the road. If the Iraqis wanted to do something, they could have blown up the tank. But they didn't. They were only holding a demonstration. Down at the end of the road, we saw some RPGs (rocket--propelled grenades) lined up against the wall. That put us at ease because we thought: 'Wow, if they were going to blow us up, they would have done it.'

Paul Rockwell: Were the protest signs in English or Arabic?

Sgt. Massey: Both.

Paul Rockwell: Who gave the order to wipe the demonstrators out?

Sgt. Massey: Higher Command. We were told to be on the lookout for civilians because a lot of the Fedayeen and the Republican Guards had tossed away uniforms and put on civilian clothes and were mounting terrorist attacks on American soldiers. The intelligence reports that were given to us were basically known by every member of the chain of command. The rank structure that was implemented in Iraq by the chain of command was evident to every Marine in Iraq. The order to shoot the demonstrators, I believe, came from senior government officials including intelligence communities within the military and the U.S. government?

Paul Rockwell: What kind of firepower was employed?

Sgt. Massey: M-16s, 50-cal.machine guns.

Paul Rockwell: You fired into six or ten kids? Were they all taken out?

Sgt. Massey: Oh, yeah. Well, I had a 'mercy' on one guy. When we rolled up, he was hiding behind a concrete pillar. I saw him and raised my weapon up, and he put up his hands. He ran off. I told everybody 'Don't shoot.' Half of his foot was trailing behind him. So he was running with half of his foot cut off.

Paul Rockwell: After you lit up the demonstration, how long before the next incident?

Sgt. Massey: Probably about one or two hours. This is another thing, too. I am so glad I am talking with you, because I suppressed all of this.

Paul Rockwell: Well I appreciate you giving me the information, as hard as it must be to recall the painful details.

Sgt. Massey: That's all right. It's kind of therapy for me. Because it's something that I had repressed for a long time.

Paul Rockwell: And the incident?

Sgt. Massey: There was an incident with one of the cars. We shot an individual with his hands up. He got out of the car. He was badly shot. We lit him up. I don't know who started shooting first. One of the Marines came running over to where we were and said: 'You all just shot a guy with his hands up.' Man, I forgot about this.

Anonymous said...

Prime Minister Commodore Voreqe Bainimarama is confident that if he does stand for elections in 2014, he will win.

During an interview with reporter Graham Davis which was aired exclusively on FBC TV last night, Bainimarama says he hasn’t decided yet on whether he will stand for elections as he has alot of work to do regarding the constitution, leading up to elections.

Davis,“All the indications are that if you did decide to stand you would win. The Lowy poll gave you 66 percent popularity in the country, which would be the envy of Julia Gillard and John Key. So is it your feeling that if you did stand that you would win?”

Bainimarama:“I would win”

Daivis: “No doubt about that?”

Bainimarama: “No doubt about that.”

Davis: “Well why not announce that you’re going to stand?”

Bainimarama: “[laughter] Because I’m…”

Davis: “Why are you delaying that?”

Bainimarama: “I guess what I want, I want to concentrate on what I’m doing now. If I, if I start, if I tell people I’m going to stand, the concentration will be diverted to politics and standing for election instead of just continuing what I need to do now and that is bring about a credible constitution and then of course the election.”

The Prime Minister has also reaffirmed that anyone can stand for elections in 2014.

Davis: “Who will be able to stand and who won’t be able to stand?”

Bainimarama: “Anyone is able to stand.”

Davis: “Even Laisenia Qarase?”

Bainimarama: “Even Laisenia Qarase . . .”

Davis: “The guy you removed?”

Bainimarama: “Yeah, even Laisenia Qarase.”

Davis: “I mean you’ve told me once before, no-one will be allowed to stand on behalf of any one race in Fiji. Is that how you envisage it?”

Bainimarama: “Yes. It’ll be equal suffrage, one man, one vote. That is definite, that everyone has accepted that. And that is the way we’re going to go.”

Bainimarama is expected to announce this week the process of public consultations for the formation of Fiji’s new constitution.
Maiyaso-Tamata NO SKOOL o IkO-Tericoki.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 5:52, if you still think Frank's hands are clean, you're gullible beyond hope. Or worse, a traitorous dog!

And the same applies to anyone else who would try to justify his murders, lies and treason. Collaborators all!

Anonymous said...

Jovesa, thousands of incidents? Like you're in a position to know?

Such killings would not constitute collateral damage.  But who said they would? And If what he says is true, Massey and the others should be prosecuted.  

It's far from unclear, however, whether Massey is telling the truth.  See the following, for example, from Ron Harris of the St. Loius Post-Dispatch:  

For more than a year, former Marine Staff Sgt. Jimmy Massey has been telling anybody who will listen about the atrocities that he and other Marines committed in Iraq.  In scores of newspaper, magazine and broadcast stories, at a Canadian immigration hearing and in numerous speeches across the country, Massey has told how he and other Marines recklessly, sometimes intentionally, killed dozens of innocent Iraqi civilians. . .

News organizations worldwide published or broadcast Massey's claims without any corroboration and in most cases without investigation. Outside of the Marines, almost no one has seriously questioned whether Massey, a 12-year veteran who was honorably discharged, was telling the truth.

He wasn't.

Each of his claims is either demonstrably false or exaggerated - according to his fellow Marines, Massey's own admissions, and the five journalists who were embedded with Massey's unit.

[He] backtracked from allegations he made in a May 2004 radio interview and elsewhere that he had seen a tractor-trailer filled with the bodies of Iraqi civilians when Marines entered an Iraqi military prison outside Baghdad. He said the Iraqis had been killed by American artillery. He told listeners that the scene was so bad "that the plasma from the body and skin was decomposing and literally oozing out of the crevices of the tractor-trailer bed."

He repeated the story in the Post-Dispatch interview. But when told that the newspaper's photographs and eyewitness reports had identified the trailer contents as all men, mostly in uniform, Massey admitted that he had never seen the bodies. Instead, he said, he received his information from "intelligence reports." When asked if those reports were official documents, he answered, "No, that's what the other Marines told me.". . .

He almost always told his audiences and interviewers of an event he said he'd never forget: Marines in his unit shooting four civilian Iraqis in red Kia automobile. In some accounts, Massey said Marines fired at the vehicle after it failed to stop at a checkpoint. In another version, he said the Marines stormed the car.

Sometimes he said three of the men were killed immediately while the fourth was wounded and covered in blood; sometimes he said the fourth man was "miraculously unscathed."

Sometimes he said the Marines left the three men on the side of the road to die without medical treatment while the fourth man exclaimed: "Why did you shoot my brother?" In other versions, he said the man made the statement as medical personnel were attempting to treat the three other men, or as the survivor sat near the car, or to Massey personally.

There is no evidence that any of the versions occurred.

In a speech in Syracuse in March, the Post Standard newspaper quoted him as saying, "The reason the Marines teach you discipline . . . is so that you can confront the enemy and kill him. . . . Or so you can put a bullet into a 6-year-old, which is what I did. "

In the interview with the Post-Dispatch, Massey said he never personally had shot a child.

"I meant that's what my unit did," he said.

He could not provide details.

Nor could he name any Marine who could corroborate any of his stories.

"Admitting guilt is a hard thing to do," he said.

Anonymous said...


Jovesa said...

@ Anon 3.43
There are countless reports leaked through wikileaks and numerous others that collaborate Massey's and others stories. These leaked reports are not difficult to uncover, neither are the countless reports of torture. Who will take command responsibility? Who will prosecute? Where are the weapons of mass destruction that initiated the invasion leading to the estimated hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children's suffrage and death?

If baini is a liar and a murderer, he is in good company

How did Mara "earn" his promotion?

LOGGIE said...

Anonymous said...
Lt Col RU who assisted Col JB in the 2 November QEB defence from CRW that resulted in the killing of the CRW murders. Franks hand was and is still clean . DFFM should ask Col JB and Lt Col RU for the blood in their hands. Also Lt Col RU commanded the dawn raid at Kalabu. People in glass houses should be cautious when throwing stones.

March 4, 2012 5:52 PM

Anonymous said...

funny right? this whole page seems to be dedicated to the evilness of Bainimarama and so sympathetic to the CRW...what about the innocent troops that were shot dead by the CRW soldiers? what about there famalies? is it fair on them that they were shot by there fellow soldiers??? they got what was coming to them... what if bainimarama was shot dead that day? the story would be so different.

Anonymous said...

Damm long comments

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