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Thursday, August 30, 2012

New Methodist president promises 'no politics'

Waqairatu
Two key officials have been voted in by the Methodist Church.

Reverend Tevita Nawadra is now the new General Secretary and Reverend Tuikilakila Waqairatu the new president.

According to Fiji Live, Waqairatu says there will be no politics under his leadership and the church will work closely with the government of the day. 

He is quoted as saying: "We are going to work with the current government of Fiji and abide by its’ laws, if they do not want politics to be involved than we shall not do that." 

Church members have been meeting in Suva the past two days and heard yesterday that membership has fallen. 

Nawadra
According to a report the church had 200,000 members in 2011 but there are just 197,000 this year.

51 comments:

Anonymous said...

Maybe they're losing members because they are crawling up Bai's ass.

Anonymous said...

It is OK for the church not to involve itself in politics but that should not mean that it should stand back and watch injustices being meted out by the powers that be to the people. It should be a voice of reason and speak out when this situation exist and should be shedding light in times of darkness. Otherwise there is no hope for the people.

Kamlesh Kumar- Mission Bay, NZ said...

Thank god- We donot need Manas Lasaro minded people in new Fiji. We dont need people who hate other races and have personal agendas. We donot want people to use church for political supremacy. Baini has achieved his objective number 2. Well done Baini.

Anonymous said...

@KK,
Government of the day is different from Illegal Regime. Read between the lines numbnut.

Anonymous said...

New officials are Arse lickers. Masi polo kece

Anonymous said...

Kamlesh Kamasutra Kumar get you empty skull out of bainimarama's asshole.

You are promoting bainimarma in the freedom blog. fuck off and go to Gram Davis blog and promote dictatorship there.

Anonymous said...

In Fiji, the iTaukei politicians use the 2 most powerful institutions for iTaukei society, to spread their bs through - the Fijian Administration and the Methodist Church. Congratulations to the 2 reverends and Rev Waqairatu especially, for realising what politics can do. However, I still think that you have a big responsibility to speak the truth for the common good, whenever there is a need.

Anonymous said...

All I can see from this statement is "Bai is God, we shall bow down to Bai regardless of how he treats us or the people of this nation, we shall keep our mouth shut and hope he allows us to hold our conference so we can get some money". "I love Bai...blah...blah...I love money...blah...blah"

Anonymous said...

@ Kamlesh Kumar-1.34pm

The Methodist church was never about political supremacy at any time. If you care to examine the objectives of the Church which is governed by the Holy Bible then it was about the welfare socially, economically and most importantly, spiritually of its members.

Everything that happened if you look at these objectively are to promote these objectives.

So please refrain from saying things which are false.

As for Bai achieving objective no 2, you should not form conclusions until you are very definite. You could be headed for surprises!.

Anonymous said...

"We are going to work with the current government of Fiji and abide by its’ laws, if they do not want politics to be involved than we shall not do that."

Thats all what it means. Current Government", do not assume any more than that!

Anonymous said...

God bless them in their new appointments. May God's will be done!

Anonymous said...

The Catholic Church and the Pope remained silent as Hitler and the Nazis committed atrocities on the Jews !! and others !!----the Methodists can do the same here !!

Anonymous said...

Wahid Ali gave a party at his million dollar playground in Denarau to the rich and famous.Guess the guest list--Naz Shameem, Gates, Lawyer Nagin and his Idiotic ex dumb magistrate wife Aruna Prasad from Toorak and Lokia,Rewa.

Anonymous said...

Methodist church must take care- there is FMF intellengence officers in the church as staff.

Methodist church must restore democracy by a people powered coup.

Seth said...

Fantastic outcome. I attended a methodist run schoolin 60's and was and am impressed the way the school was run with christian values then
After 80's everything went to the dogs in dog fight.
Hope better times comes for methodist christians.

Josaia said...

The 3000 lost members went to New Methodist Atu Vulaono because of their coup apologist with Esala Teleni.

Anonymous said...

WHERE THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE WILL BE POLITICS... Period

Anonymous said...

Again Kamlesh-The same old argument again. When a Fijian speaks against a system that has clear record of disenfranchising the First Nation of this country, to people like you- these people are RACISTS.

NO. PLEASE THEY ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR GOD GIVEN RESOURCE.



Anonymous said...

The fact that the Methodist Church is losing members is great news for Fiji.

This Church has become nothing more than a self serving cult with its loud anti social preaching style.

Anonymous said...

Church have to be involved in politics.
if you have good govt than church and people will prosper.
if you have bad govt people will perish.
church members have freedom of choice to side with any political party.thats democracy.
god bless fiji and people.
Rajesh

You cant separate politics from methodists Thugs said...

Methodists church is the hub of politics in Fiji.

If the president does not toe the line, he will be kicked out soon, like Josetaki Koroi.

mark manning said...

Has anyone informed these guys that the Regime in Fiji, is not a Government ?

Anonymous said...

kamlesh kumar mission bay , should go and help baini , why ran from fiji if baini is doing great , please tell Shalen Raju

Jone said...

People do you not know that there is a "separation of Church and State?'Religious body can not take part in politics.

ruler said...

@ Mark Manning

Whoever is in control of the Treasury is the government of the day.

simon said...

I can't understand why people are so scared of the methodist church. Isn't their leader elected?

simon said...

Imagine if we didn't have the methodists? The whole country would become aiyaz and frank's toilet paper. I hope the flp would solve their internal problems quickly so they can be in the bigger fight better and stronger. We need all cylinders firing. Remember salend prasad's wheel of change? Let's give these illegal power trippers the same rolling over.

Anonymous said...

Congratulations Rev Waqairatu, this is your time to take Fiji back to the Kingdom of God.

Not politics.

Koi Yasayasa

Anonymous said...

The lotu should stop meddling in the government... when the government stops meddling in the lotu.

Anonymous said...

Who is the military to tell others to butt out of politics? Practice what you preach!

kai bau said...

Lets turn up the the heat on Bainimarama.Congratulations to the Methodists church..Congratulations to the polical parties.Lets come together and drag this son of a pig out of his comfortable zone to the pig stay in Naboro and keep him there for the rest of his life

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Anonymous said...

First they came for the kai idia
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a kai idia.

Then they came for the SDL
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't SDL.

Then they came for the Methodists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Methodist.

Then they came for the GCC,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a chief.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Will you never speak out?

Now is your chance, perhaps your only chance. M-Minute, precisely 7:00 PM, on Wednesday, 26 September, in Downtown Suva.

Operation Jericho. Your chance to speak out... before they come for YOU..

Anonymous said...

..The biggest tragedy will be when the supposedly moral compass compromise principle and allow injustice and systematic weakening of the values of mutual respect and our heritage. The quick demise of our tradiotional structures which has serve us well before has been theoratically removed. What have we replaced it with?.., in this state of play we require one who has got a firm grip on our basic fijian values of respect, honor and love. I havent seen this in the polticians but I d like to see this in our sherperds. If you can show me that you posses those human values and a sharp shooter when it comes to championing the rights of the common person, beggar, prostitute, poor without any sense of self prersevation or money or popularity than please step out. Call me an idealist, but I have a dream and I can see that dream becoming a reality...

Anonymous said...

Phylosophioal says...When LQ was PM, tax payers money went into building methodist churchers. Church members are plagued with contibutions and children are suffering. A church is only an organisation and temple of the people not God who does not need a house or building to live in.

Anonymous said...

Jone 10:38pm don't get your point? Do we need to have Constitution not to have a coup or will it make any difference if we also said -NO COUPS in the COnstitution! So far al the constituions are toilet paper?

Anonymous said...

@ Anonymous 1.41PM

Get your facts right!!!!

Talk about things that you know and understand as facts. Offerings and free offerings are Godly and being practised throughout history unitl today. Within churches in Fiji is no difference. Let the people and children who are contributing to the Church complain but Outsiders like you.......just keep shut.

Anonymous said...

can we have a list of guests at Wahids PARTY.

Anonymous said...

When will they ever learn ?

There is no need for the Methodist Church or any other to work closely with any government.

Let them stick to looking after their sheep that feel the need to have someone to guide them in the most basic rules of living in a society.

People in government 'should' already know these basics which are taught to most in the first few years of life and are covered normally by laws as well.

The real reason they try to get in with the government is simply for handouts.

Anonymous said...

Congrtulations Rev. Waqairatu and Rev. Nawadra.

Keep up with the good work of living up to the principles of the scripture.

Stand firm in Christ our Lord,
Love thy neighbour as thy self,
Speak of the truth, which will set us free,
Spread the gospel to Judea, Samaria, and to the world.

The great gospel of love, compassion, humility, and righteousness.

The Lord said, " Vengence is mine"

May his blessings be upon you and His ministry.

Anonymous said...

Yes, reverends. May He use you as an instrument of His infallible will.

Be as harsh as truth and as uncompromising as justice.

Anonymous said...

Phylosophical says to Anon 6:27pm...you poor thing...another brainwashed fool who thinks the church will take you to heaven. The church was one of the major instigators in the coups of 87 and 2000. They supported Rabuka and Speight. All the looting, raping, beating and killing that happened in 87 and 2000 were by Methodist Church members. They desecrated Hindu and Catholic Churches and attached other non methodist. Was that another form of Jihad or what. The Methodist Church was even involved with SDL suggesting the dove be the symbol for the party. After looting, killing and brutalising people, the very same members of the methodist church walked into church on Sunday singing Halleluiah...When LQ travelled throughout Fiji when he became PM, methodist church members in the areas he travelled approached him with their whales tooth exclaiming the glory of God and begging that he help them fund the churches complaining that money they raised had been stolen by those entrusted with the money...The same ignorant BS God Fearing Hell Fire crap the Europeans brouhgt to Fiji to subdue the people in t he name of God. No wonder God has turned a blind eye to Fiji and are letting us suffer for what we have caused and committed. Learn from it and step into reality.

Anonymous said...

Damn right church won't take us to heaven but a lying filthy tongue will definitely take you to hell... Go rot there you piece of scum! Yes you, Annon 7.25pm.

Anonymous said...

Phylosophical says to Anon 7:40pm...whats the matter dont like the truth. The truth will set you free if you can practice by firstly saying Im sorry to those who were affected in the coups of 87, 2000 and 2006...You all saw what happened in 2000. That was a step back into Fiji's dark past. We all point at Frank but what about our involvement in 2000. The murders by the rebels, the people brutalised, the rape theft. We could hear the songs of praise by Suva Grammar after a day and night of orgies in the Parliament House. I bet you were there....

Anonymous said...

Phylosophical says...Remember the parable in the bible. The poor man who went the the temple to give alms. Despite being sooo poor he gave everything he had. He was so embarassed he hid and waited for people to leave and made his way to give alms praising God in a quiet voice before leaving. The rich man gave alms and made sure everyone knew he was giving a large amount of money and sang praises in front of people.
Lesson to be learnt in humility and humbleness.

Anonymous said...

Non priests and non church members voted in Methodist election of Waqairatu. Wait for facts to appear soon. Any Tom dick and Harry who could make to the centenary church was allowed to vote. Waqairatu had his SDL supportrers flood church and vote.

Anonymous said...

Hey Philosophical watch it your ass is getting pissed off with your mouth taking over the role of spewing shit!!

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous 5.02PM For your info,only ordained church ministers are allowed to vote.Not any 'Tom,Dick or Harry'.If you're not a Methodist dont try and 'chi' into its business.You snake !!!

Anonymous said...

I work at the wharf and voted for Tuikilakila. We were all given voting slips, everyone who was in the church. I'm not even Methodist but got dressed for the free chow. Me and 3 friends. Why you call me snake, at least you can say it was gods will. Same as the Bainimarama coup is Gods will.

Anonymous said...

To annon 7:40am, see what your hero Waqairatu Mugabe is saying about being a christian state. Satan has really manifested himself as the head of the Methodist church of Fiji. He is living through his teeth that Fiji was ceased to God and Great Britan. He should read the documents again to see that he is Satan in human form.

Anonymous said...

Sure, God allowed Bainimarama's coup, and God will also allow Bainimarama's punishment for his treason. Will the dogs lick up his blood, as they did Ahab's, or will he follow the example of fellow traitor Judas Iscariot by simply hanging himself?